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  • Boidiva02
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    What if “The English Patient” had been released at the same time as “Titanic” in 1997 instead of 1996, do you think TEP still would have gotten the same level of attention at Oscars and from critics? Would it have sunk Titanic in the Best Picture category? Would Titanic have just taken everything anyway?

    What do you think, how would the race change if The English Patient was released in 1997 instead of 1996?

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    babypook
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    Well, who knows Boid?

    My guess is that, NOTHING was going to stop that tragic boat from annihilating the box office, and keeping a (deserved) grip on Oscars….especially in comparison to the elegant but snooze-inducing TEP.

    Jmho.

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    Andrew Carden
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    The English Patient and its nominees would’ve knocked out The Full Monty, Peter Cattaneo, Dustin Hoffman, Julie Christie and Joan Cusack. In terms of wins, I suspect Binoche would’ve defeated Basinger, but L.A. Confidential would’ve hung on in Screenplay. The English Patient probably wins Cinematography too. Otherwise, the Titanic sweep remains, though without Cinematography, it doesn’t tie the record.

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    Cinebear
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    <Sadly> Titanic was a crowd-pleaser and shoo-in which would have stolen away the audiences from The English Patient had that film been released the same year. The film was SO cinematic – and I am not a fan. Now, an interesting toss-up would have been between The English Patient and L.A. Confidential without Titanic in the mix.

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    For me, the more interesting question is what would have occurred in 1996 with Best Picture winner out of the competition.

    I suspect Fargo would have nabbed Best Picture.

    With a Best Actor and Director nomination, I believe The People vs. Larry Flynt would have scored in the categories vacated by The English Patient.

    Most interestingly, that would have remedied the wildly unfair snub of Courtney Love in a stunning portrayal of Althea Flynt. The race between Love and Bacall for Best Supporting Actress would have been memorable!

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    Courtney Love campaigned for lead actress not supporting. I think that was a huge error on her part. In supporting I think she would have got in regardless of when English Patient was released.

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    Courtney Love campaigned for lead actress not supporting. I think that was a huge error on her part. In supporting I think she would have got in regardless of when English Patient was released.

    Agreed. With eight wins/nominations in supporting and two nominations in lead in the precursors, how could voters be anything but confused?

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    For me, the more interesting question is what would have occurred in 1996 with Best Picture winner out of the competition.

    I suspect Fargo would have nabbed Best Picture.

    With a Best Actor and Director nomination, I believe The People vs. Larry Flynt would have scored in the categories vacated by The English Patient.

    Most interestingly, that would have remedied the wildly unfair snub of Courtney Love in a stunning portrayal of Althea Flynt. The race between Love and Bacall for Best Supporting Actress would have been memorable!

    That would have been interesting. What could have replaced TEP in it’s absence I wonder? Evita? It did get an Editing nod. How silly to include Milos Foreman, and oust it for a BP nom.

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    Love made the decision herself to go for lead. I have a distinct memory of her discussing this after the fact on some late night show (Charlie Rose or Tom Snyder maybe?) She was kind of regretful and agreeing with the host who was asking why she didn’t go for supporting. (I remember her saying stuff like yeah I should have…)

    My theory was always that she had that odd obsession thing with Madonna around that time (remember her throwing shoes at Madonna live on MTV? It is on youtube) and wanted to compete against her for lead and possibly knock her out of contention. It backfired though and they both got left out.

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    Love made the decision herself to go for lead. I have a distinct memory of her discussing this after the fact on some late night show (Charlie Rose or Tom Snyder maybe?) She was kind of regretful and agreeing with the host who was asking why she didn’t go for supporting. (I remember her saying stuff like yeah I should have…)

    My theory was always that she had that odd obsession thing with Madonna around that time (remember her throwing shoes at Madonna live on MTV? It is on youtube) and wanted to compete against her for lead and possibly knock her out of contention. It backfired though and they both got left out.

    According to Inside Oscar, the decision to go lead was made by the film’s director Milos Forman.

    Love offended some during an interview where she was questioned about competing against fellow Golden Globe lead actress nominees Madonna and Debbie Reynolds. Love then called the award race “retarded.”

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    I dunno, I’m not convinced Love would’ve garnered an Oscar nod, even with a Supporting push. The Academy just didn’t seem that fond of the film – sure, Forman and Harrelson got in (its only two nods), but the brilliant Alexander/Karaszewski script, which for a time seemed the front-runner to win Original Screenplay that year, wasn’t even nominated. I’m also not sure who exactly Love could’ve edged out among the five Supporting Actress nominees – I suppose Hershey was probably weakest? But I bet Gwen Verdon for Marvin’s Room was more within striking distance too.

    But yeah, Fargo would’ve won Best Picture without The English Patient that year.

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    I think Hershey was probably a solid third or fourth (tied with Allen) in that competition. I think she should have won the award, but Bacall’s legendary status and the warmth and size of Binoche’s role had a leg up on her in the race.

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