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  • Trent
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    There may already be a thread dedicated to this type of thing, so if it already exists please redirect me to it.

    This is the thread to ask and answer Oscar “What If” questions. Here are some starters:

    -What if George Clooney did not win the Oscar for Syrianna? Would he have won for any of his future films?

    -What if The Social Network premiered in 2011? Would it have won Best Picture?

    -What if The Hurt Locker was deemed eligible for the 2008-9 Oscars? Would it have won Best Picture? What would have won for 2009-10?

    Feel free to answer, debate and pose your own questions.

     

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    iskolar
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    If The Kids Were All Right was released this year, Annette Bening would have probably been the frontrunner now. So far, weak outing for Best Actress. Some of the frontrunners are already Oscar winners (Cotillard, Hunt, Streep, Cruz), too young (Wallis), too divisive (Knightley), too low key (so far) (Smith, Streisand, Davis), or confusing in a Lead or Supporting debate (Mulligan, Linney, Lawrence).

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    Miss Frost
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    #63350

    There may already be a thread dedicated to this type of thing, so if it already exists please redirect me to it.

    This is the thread to ask and answer Oscar “What If” questions. Here are some starters:

    -What if George Clooney did not win the Oscar for Syrianna? Would he have won for any of his future films?

    -What if The Social Network premiered in 2011? Would it have won Best Picture?

    -What if The Hurt Locker was deemed eligible for the 2008-9 Oscars? Would it have won Best Picture? What would have won for 2009-10?

    Feel free to answer, debate and pose your own questions.

     

    Are we supposed to answer these? If so to answer some of your questions:
     
    – Clooney probably would’ve taken Screenplay that year or won for Up in the Air.
    – If the Social Network couldn’t take down The King’s Speech, what the hell makes you think it had a chance against the Artist?
    – Yes the  Hurt Locker still would’ve won the 2008-2009 BP.

    Some of mine:

    -What if Meryl Streep won Best Actress for the French Lieutenant’s Woman; Would she still have won the very next year for Sophie’s Choice even with 2 Oscars won in a 3 year span?    

    – What if the Reader never got into BP, would that have prevented other ridiculous BP nominees from getting in like The Blind Side and Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close?

    -What if Marion Cotillard was never nominated for Best Actress in 2007; would Christie have easily won it or would someone else upstage her? 
     

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    Bill Buchanan
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    I’ll answer your questions:
    – No, she wouldn’t have won, and maybe only gotten nominated. personally, i feel she shouldn’t have been nominated for French Lieutenant’s woman, but that’s just me. 

    – No, it wouldn’t, because EL&IC is a very good movie and the Academy would see that. As for the Blind Side… I can’t really see a connection happening

    – Yes, Christie probably would have won, though Cate Blanchett might have pulled it off as an “Elizabeth apology” win. Gwyneth Paltrow, I’m sorry to say, is dead to me because of that fraud in 1998.

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    Awardzilla
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    Bizzare one, but I do wonder whether the academy would have awarded Swank for Boys Don’t Cry over Bening for American Beauty IF they knew that years later they would award Swank for Million Dollar Baby?

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    A Person
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    Trent’s what ifs:

    – Clooney wouldn’t have won yet.  In 2007 Day-Lewis was unbeatable, in 2009 Bridges would have still been considered more overdue than him, and 2011 Dujardin would have still ridden the wave of The Artist. 

    – It’s tough to say.  The King’s Speech was more loved by the Academy than The Artist I think, but The Artist would have probably still taken Best Picture over The Social Network.  I think that Fincher might have taken Best Director in that scenario though, and Andrew Garfield would have been nominated in Supporting Actor over Max von Sydow.

    – I feel like Slumdog would have unfortunately beaten The Hurt Locker in 2008-09 ( I like Slumdog but The Hurt Locker is clearly the better film).  It would have won Original Screenplay over Milk and that’s probably it.  As for 2009, I think that if The Hurt Locker hadn’t been there, even though Avatar was in second,  most of Hurt Locker’s support would have switched over to Inglourious Basterds and it would have won out.

    Miss Frost’s what ifs:

    Yes Meryl would have still won for Sophie’s Choice, that performance was seen as undeniable.  Lange might have made it more of a race though.

    If The Reader hadn’t gotten nominated for Best Picture over The Dark Knight then the number of nominees wouldn’t have been changed so The Blind Side and ELAIC wouldn’t have gotten in, since they obviously weren’t in the top 5 their year.

    If Cotillard hadn’t been around in 2007 it would have been very close between Christie and Ellen Page (who most certainly would have won the Comedy/Musical Golden Globe without Cotillard around).  Juno had a lot of support that year and might have even been the runner-up for Best Picture, so Page might have ridden that to squeak out a win.

    Here’s a few of my own what ifs:

    – What if Sean Penn hadn’t had Mystic River in 2003 but still had 21 Grams.  Would he have still been able to get nominated and win or would Bill Murray (or even surprise SAG winner Johnny Depp) have taken home the prize?

    – What if Paul Newman had lost to Bob Hoskins (who won the Golden Globe) for The Color of Money in 1986.  Would the overdue factor have been able to get him a win for either Nobody’s Fool in 1994 or Road to Perdition in 2002?

    – What if Keisha Castle-Hughes had been nominated in Supporting in 2003?  Who would have gotten that fifth spot in Best Actress, and would she have had a shot at pulling an upset win over Zellweger?

    – What If Geoffrey Rush had lost in 1996 for Shine?  Would he have been able to win any of the three subsequent times he was nominated ( For Shakespeare in Love, Quills and The King’s Speech?)

     

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    RJ
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    What if Grey Gardens had received a theatrical release (as was the initial intent during production) rather than premiere on HBO in 2009?

    I truly believe that Drew Barrymore could have beaten Sandra Bullock to the Best Actress Oscar in that race. Former child star all grown-up, comeback kid, showing a new side to herself, and the strength/quality of the performance itself… in most years would have been a slam-dunk, and especially in 2009. Beyond that, could category fraud (as some called for at the Emmys that year) have added another nomination to Jessica Lange’s tally? Would the film have stood a shot in any other categories?

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    Bill Buchanan
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    I’ll answer the first and the last of A Person’s questions
    – No, Bill Murray would most probably have won. Lost in Translation had a huge ammount of critical acclaim in 2003

    – I can’t see Geoffrey Rush losing for The King’s Speech if he hadn’t won previously. It was a marvelous performance and he would have been one of the most overdue actors in the history of the oscars by then.

    I’d also like you to answer a few what ifs of my own:

    – If Cate Blanchett had won the Oscar for Best Actress in 1998 (as she should have), would she still have won for any of her other Supporting performances: The Aviator (2004), Notes on a Scandal (2006), I’m Not There (2007).

    – And If Cate Blanchett had NOT won for either The Aviator or Elizabeth, would she have won for Notes on a Scandal, I’m Not There OR Elizabeth: The Golden Age?

    – If Tom Hanks hadn’t won for Philadelphia, but had still won for Forrest Gump, would he have won in 1998 for Saving Private Ryan over Roberto Begnini or in 2000 for Cast Away over Robert Russell Crowe in Gladiator, or would he have remained with only one Oscar?

    – If The Reader hadn’t been nominated for BP in 2008 AND The Dark Knight didn’t take its place, which movie would have taken that fifth slot?

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    Irishmovielover4ever
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    To answer the past what ifs.

    • In 2003 I think Russell Crowe might have taken Sean’s place if he was just in 21 Grams. Then there would be no stopping bill murray from the win.
    • If Paul Newman had lost for The Color of Money he still would have lost to Tom Hanks in 2004. Also still would have lost in 2002 to Chris Cooper
    • Is Keisha had been nominated in supporting she would still but have taken Shoreh’s nomination. Scarlett would then get the best actress nomination.
    • If Geoffrey had lost for shine (Cruise would have won) he would have won for The King’s Speech.
    • If Grey Gardens was in theatres Lange would go supporting with Barrymore going lead to loose still to bullock (I know) but she would give her a race.

    Here are some of mine.

    • If Julie Andrews had made both My Fair Lady and Mary Poppins in 1964 which would she have been nominated for.
    • If Lily Tomlin had played Nurse Rachad (like what was to happen) and Louise Fletcher was to play Linnea (like what was to happen) would they have both be nominated or won.
    • If Kate Winslet had played Gwyneth’s oscar winning role would kate still have won (that was suppose to happen but she declined it)
    • If Melissa Leo had won for Frozen River would she still have won for The Fighter
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    Miss Frost
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    @awardzilla; I doubt it. I don’t think they were in any rush to award Bening since she lost in 10′. Not to mention Swank undeniably gave one of the greatest performances ever.

    @ctubuchanan;
    -Blanchett still would’ve won for the Aviator. She was really the only logical choice that year in that particular category.
    -It’s hard to say; she by far gave the best performance in NoaS, but Hudson had all the chips on her side, and cleared out everything. She definitely would’ve won for “I’m Not There”, since Ruby Dee’s veteran status wasn’t a threat and it was Tilda’s first nomination.
    -Hanks wouldn’t have won for anything after that.
    -Either Wall-E  or The Wrestler

    @Irishmwould ovielover4ever;
    -Andrews would’ve still won for Poppins.
    -No Fletcher did miracles that performance. If anyone else did it, it wouldn’t have won.
    -If Paltrow could win it, Winslet would have definitely got it. It would’ve been a much better and less embarassing win as well.
    -No she wouldn’t have. 
       

    Some of mine:

    -What If Hepburn never won for “Morning Glory”, what performance would have won her, her first Best Actress win? Would she have to wait till 1967?
    -What If Winslet won for “Sense & Sensibility” (which she should have.) Would she still have won for “The Reader”?
    -What if Vivien Leigh got the role for “Rebecca” (She auditioned for it before.) Would she have won for it unlike Joan Fontaine?
     -What if Mo’Nique played the role of Minny in “The Help”, would she still have won again that year like Spencer? If not who would’ve taken it?

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    I might as well throw some questions into the mix (most of these concern rather recent Oscar history):

    1. If Cameron Diaz got the role of Roxie Hart in Rob Marshall’s Chicago, how would the performance have been received on the awards circuit?

    2. If the Academy had always employed the ten-nominee system for Best Picture, what animated films would have been Picture nominees in addition to Beauty and the Beast, Up, and Toy Story 3? Also, would Beauty and the Beast still have been the first animated Picture nominee?

    3. (Kind of rules out Question No. 1, but) if Nicole Kidman got the role of Roxie Hart in Rob Marshall’s Chicago, would she still have won Best Actress that year?

    4. (This scenario can apply to Questions No. 1 and 3:) would Renee Zellweger still have won Best Supporting Actress for Cold Mountain in the 2003/2004 season?

    5. Would Renee Zellweger have won – or even been nominated – for Cold Mountain had she won for Chicago?

    6. (I feel awful asking this question, but) would Peter Finch and/or Heath Ledger have won their Oscars had they been alive for their respective seasons/ceremonies?

    7. What would have happened with Stephen Daldry’s The Reader if it was released in 2009 and not pushed for 2008 qualification?

    8. Would Penelope Cruz have been nominated for Nine had she not won for Vicky Cristina Barcelona the year before?

    9. If, for some odd reason, The Departed hadn’t taken Picture and Director, would Hugo have triumphed over The Artist this past year?

    10. If Glenn Close had won an Oscar for one of her nominated performances in the 1980s, would Albert Nobbs have been an awards contender?

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    MISS FROST’s answers:

    – She probably have beaten Signoret in 59′ or Bancroft in 62′, the years prior had really strong front-runners in bigger movies.
    – Yes, between Sense & Sensibility and The Reader, Winslet would have more than a decade (and four nom.) and could win a second – for lead – even against Streep.
    – No, Joan Fontaine was perfect and Leigh couldn’t have done better.
    – No, because she had been an already winner, Bejo or Chastain would’ve taken.

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    awardskel
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    What if Halle Berry and Reese Witherspoon never won their Oscars? Would they still have their careers?

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    I might as well throw some questions into the mix (most of these concern rather recent Oscar history):

    1. If Cameron Diaz got the role of Roxie Hart in Rob Marshall’s Chicago, how would the performance have been received on the awards circuit?

    2. If the Academy had always employed the ten-nominee system for Best Picture, what animated films would have been Picture nominees in addition to Beauty and the BeastUp, and Toy Story 3? Also, would Beauty and the Beast still have been the first animated Picture nominee?

    3. (Kind of rules out Question No. 1, but) if Nicole Kidman got the role of Roxie Hart in Rob Marshall’s Chicago, would she still have won Best Actress that year?

    4. (This scenario can apply to Questions No. 1 and 3:) would Renee Zellweger still have won Best Supporting Actress for Cold Mountain in the 2003/2004 season? 

    5. Would Renee Zellweger have won – or even been nominated – for Cold Mountain had she won for Chicago?

    6. (I feel awful asking this question, but) would Peter Finch and/or Heath Ledger have won their Oscars had they been alive for their respective seasons/ceremonies?

    7. What would have happened with Stephen Daldry’s The Reader if it was released in 2009 and not pushed for 2008 qualification?

    8. Would Penelope Cruz have been nominated for Nine had she not won for Vicky Cristina Barcelona the year before?

    9. If, for some odd reason, The Departed hadn’t taken Picture and Director, would Hugo have triumphed over The Artist this past year?

    10. If Glenn Close had won an Oscar for one of her nominated performances in the 1980s, would Albert Nobbs have been an awards contender?

    1. She would have done the same as Zellweger- gotten nominated and lost to Kidman in a close race.

    2. The first two Toy Storys, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Ratatouille and Wall-E would have all made it in a field of 10.  The Lion King too probably.

    3. If she had still had The Hours she would have gotten in for that only and won even more easily than she did in real life.  If she didn’t have The Hours she would have most likely gotten the win for Chicago with the main threat being whoever got the part of Virginia Woolf instead of her.

    4. Zellweger’s campaign would have been weaker without the Chicago loss setting up a big narrative, but she would have still at least gotten nominated for Cold Mountain.

    5. She would have still been nominated probably, but wouldn’t have won.

    6. Both would have still won.

    7. If The Reader had been released in 2009, then Dark Knight would have gotten in in 2008 and there would have been no change in the number of nominees.  I don’t think The Reader would have made a top 5 Best Picture in 2009.  Winslet would have lost in 2008 for Revolutionary Road, and then beaten Bullock in 2009.

    8. Yes

    9. Scorsese might have won Director but Hugo wasn’t winning Best Picture over The Artist.

    10. No. 

    Here are some more of my own

    1. What if Jennifer Connelly had been nominated in Lead Actress in 2001?  Would she have been able to beat Halle Berry?  Who would have won in Supporting that year?

    2. If Helen Mirren had won for Gosford Park in 2001, would she have won for The Queen?

    3. If Connelly had lost for A Beautiful Mind in 2001, would she have had a stronger push for House of Sand and Fog, enough to get in over Castle-Hughes or Morton?

    4. If Nicole Kidman had lost for The Hours, would she have been nominated for either Cold Mountain or Birth?

    5. If Ryan Gosling had lost out on the fifth nomination spot to Sacha Baron Cohen in 2006, would he have gotten in for either Lars and The Real Girl or Blue Valentine?

    6.  What if George Clooney didn’t have Syriana in 2005, but only Good Night and Good Luck (for which he got a BAFTA nod).  Would he have still beaten Paul Giamatti?

    7. If Angelina Jolie had been nominated for A Mighty Heart in 2007, would she have still gotten in for Changeling?  If not, who would have benefited, Sally Hawkins (who had the Comedy Globe and a ton of critics awards) or Kristin Scott Thomas (Drama Globe and BAFTA nods)? 

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    A PERSON’s answers:

    1. No, Connelly couldn’t beat Berry, because that was a special year for the academy and if Spacek with the veteran status in a Best Picture nominee with a Golden Globe win didn’t beat Berry, Jennifer wouldn’t had a chance. The best supporting award would have gone to Mirren in Gosford Park.

    2. Yes, Mirren in The Queen was the biggest lock, ever.

    3. No, the fact that she was a winner should have been better for her than the fact that she lost years before. And in that year both Scarlett and Rachel Wood certainly received more votes than her.

    4. Probably for Cold Mountain in the same way that Zellweger did, lost two times, just to receive a third nomination in a row to win, but Nicole would have lost again against Theron.

    5. Yes, probably for Lars and the Real Girl where he received both SAG and GG noms.

    6. Yes, Clooney only won because it was the best option to reward him, so doesn’t matter for what movie that would have been.

    7. No. She just received the Changeling nomination because she was overlooked, so if she would had received a nomination in 2007, Sally Hawkins would have received a nomination instead of her.

    sorry if my english isn’t that good lol

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