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  • TomHardys
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    #162241

    I was rewatching Blue Jasmine the other day (seriously Blanchett’s performance has to be one of the greatest perfomances of all time) and I thought “Cate did campaign a bit for the Oscar but she’s a living example of someone who didn’t have to. She would sweep the awards circuit a la Monique anyways”.

    Then I started to think about Melissa Leo’s Oscar win… She’s a clear opposite to me: solid performance but it was her extensive and somewhat exhausting campaign that pushed her to the edge in my opinion. Do you agree? What other exemples clearly illustrate a win based on politics instead of the actual performance? Let’s discuss about this!

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    I actually don’t think Melissa Leo needed that campaign to win.  Her performance was the flashiest out of all the nominees by a mile.  It definitely stood out among the rest of her rather low-key competition.  Whether it stood out in a good way or bad way is up to you.

    Bullock, on the other hand, said it best, herself: “Did I really earn this, or did I just wear y’all down?” 

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    KyleBailey
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    I think Leo was trying to make sure she was safe because I remember Haliee Steinfeld was gaining support towards the weeks leading up. I am 100% with Monique’s logic “Thank you for recognizing that it’s about the performance and not the politics”. It should be about the performance. I understand completely letting the little movies be known but not at the extant of some people’s ways. 

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    Halo_Insider
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    The narrative that Harvey put in play for Streep’s third win was really built on reminding people that she hadn’t won in 30 years. Didn’t Meryl herself also do more than usual in pushing the film?

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    babypook
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    Campaigning is part of the Oscar regime. Although, sometimes the candidate doesnt even have to shave her legs and can go around with two inch sprouts and still win.

    Sometimes the candidate says they wont campaign and they dont win. Or, they dont campaign and they do win, and then sometimes wont accept the statue. Or, they have someone accept for them. Someone with an agenda (outside of Industry issues)

    Since the merit of any performance is completely and entirely subjective, a little smile here and there without seeming desperate ala Sharon Stone, cant hurt.

    There are just so many factors.

    Cate’s performance in BJ is just so incredible, a landmark really, that I’m not sure she needed to do much more than show up. And the “Woody” factor didnt hurt her at all. Sometimes the world is actually fair.

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    ETPhoneHome
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    On the Melissa Leo question, I think that she absolutely needed the campaign, because I’m not sure she would have stood out enough from a great ensemble. I still feel like Bale stole that film, and she was a distant second. Steinfeld, on the other hand, stole her movie.

    For someone else who won recently, but who wouldn’t have without the campaigning, I have to think of good old Christopher Plummer. While he didn’t have a big personal campaign, the movie itself would have been totally forgotten by awards season without the studio pushing very hard behind a nomination for him. Once he got the nomination, he definitely got a whole lot of momentum that drove him to sweep the precursors, but he wouldn’t have gotten anything without the campaign.

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    CanadianFan
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    Kathryn Bigelow won for a few reasons:

    1) Masterful campaign
    2) Ex-husband James Cameron released the highest grossing movie of all-time, so there was a built-in narrative of the biggest movie vs. one of the smallest
    3) Weinstein bungled the Inglorious Basterds campaign
    4) Voters could make history by giving the Oscar to a woman

    But it all started at number one.

    I echo the sentiment that Christopher Plummer needed a campaign, but that supporting actor lineup was one of the weakest of the decade, so he didn’t have much competition. 
     

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    KyleBailey
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    Campaigning also takes alot out of people. One of the reasons Fassbender didn’t campaign hard for 12 Years a Slave was because he put so much into Shame’s campaign and didn’t want to go through it again if he wasn’t going to win. 

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    TomHardys
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    Campaigning also takes alot out of people. One of the reasons Fassbender didn’t campaign hard for 12 Years a Slave was because he put so much into Shame’s campaign and didn’t want to go through it again if he wasn’t going to win. 

    Ugh. Don’t remind me of his Shame snub in favor of much inferior performances like Jean Dujardin’s. 

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    Here’s some I’m thinking of:  

    1.  Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side :  Carol said it all.   

    2.  Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose:  People like to say this win was just about the performance, but Marion agressively campaigned in Hollywood in person that year.  Here’s a film that documents the whole thing:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pn9m48LBNY.  

    What about Jenniffer  Hudson  in Dreamgirls?  I know she had a lot of buzz and a great rags to riches narrative, but did her campaign help bring those facts home to Oscar voters?  

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    Anthony
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    The first name that came to mind was Marion Cotillard. I do believe that the fact she was campaigning helped whereas Julie Christie had enough clout and awards magnetism that she was able to get many precursors.

    I will say that despite this, I feel Cotillard deserved the Oscar regardless. Sure, she may have looked nothing like Edith Piaf nor did she do her own singing but her vocal speaking work and just her demeanor put forth were all overwhelming, especially when seeing her in interviews.

    I am sure it didn’t help Julie Christie that she had already won PLUS she had the curse of being much older, which only spared Helen Mirren winning for The Queen.

    It was a case where I feel the campaigning helped and people felt she did her own singing and she was pretty….however, I hope more people voted for her because it truly was a fantastic performance.

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    TomHardys
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    The first name that came to mind was Marion Cotillard. I do believe that the fact she was campaigning helped whereas Julie Christie had enough clout and awards magnetism that she was able to get many precursors.

    I will say that despite this, I feel Cotillard deserved the Oscar regardless. Sure, she may have looked nothing like Edith Piaf nor did she do her own singing but her vocal speaking work and just her demeanor put forth were all overwhelming, especially when seeing her in interviews.

    I am sure it didn’t help Julie Christie that she had already won PLUS she had the curse of being much older, which only spared Helen Mirren winning for The Queen.

    It was a case where I feel the campaigning helped and people felt she did her own singing and she was pretty….however, I hope more people voted for her because it truly was a fantastic performance.

    Julie Christie won Golden Globe, SAG, NBR, NYFCC, BAFCA… Lost the BAFTA because Cotillard is French and lost the LAFCA because those are weird. That year I really thought she would win the whole thing. 

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    I really think that the whole campainging of Marion was more about breaking into Hollywood rather than winning the Oscar. Personally I don’t think it was agressive at all compared to Bullock’s or Leo’s campaign, she deserved it so bad…

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    I actually think what lost it for Christie wasn’t her age.  I think it was the fact that she already has an Oscar.  If she was Oscar-less, then she would have stood a much bigger chance of winning because she’s such a respected Hollywood figure (and, of course, delivered a wonderful performance).  If her performance TOTALLY overshaddowed Cotillard’s (like how Blanchett’s performance in Blue Jasmine did with her competition), then she could have won a second.  But Cotillard’s performance is SUCH a powerhouse (whether you like it or not) that Christie was always skating on thin ice (at least imo).

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    It makes me laugh when actors fuck with their eyebrows.

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