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    If Peggy had been put in lead as the New York Film Critics did…would she have won?

    It is interesting to think of the chain of events that could have led to.

    If Peggy got Best Actress I think Geraldine Page could have got supporting thus giving the Best Actress to Whoopi Goldberg the next year and then maybe somebody else in 1990 for Supporting Actress. (either Bracco or Bening I’d guess.)

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    Joe Burns
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    She’s supporting. And I don’t think she would’ve beaten Sally Field.

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    Andrew Carden
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    I can see the argument for Ashcroft in Lead but Field still would’ve defeated her there. But yeah, Page probably would’ve triumphed in Supporting, opening the door for Goldberg in ’85. Meaning, in all likelihood, Oscar-winner Lorraine Bracco.

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    If Peggy had been put in lead as the New York Film Critics did…would she have won?

    It is interesting to think of the chain of events that could have led to.

    If Peggy got Best Actress I think Geraldine Page could have got supporting thus giving the Best Actress to Whoopi Goldberg the next year and then maybe somebody else in 1990 for Supporting Actress. (either Bracco or Bening I’d guess.)

    Ideas?

    Don’t overthink this.

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    Maybe back then the Academy would have “allowed” Davis and Ashcroft in the same category, but I have a feeling Field would have still won with the vote split at play. People seem to forget that “Places in the Heart” was most likely runner-up to “Amadeus” that year, and it was the main reason for a major win with Field, not voters “really liking her in this moment.” I’m also skeptical of Page winning supporting actress for such a marginal film as “The Pope of Greenwich Village” despite the overdueness. I’d like to think Lahti might have surprised there instead. But yes, in alternative fiction land, Ashcroft somehow submitting and winning in lead actress and Page in supporting actress could have led to Whoopi’s win the following year for “The Color Purple” (glorious!). I actually think she could have won again for populist hit and BP nominee “Ghost,” but I’ll be generous and spread the wealth. Flipping a coin between Bening and Bracco, I’ll go with the The Bening, I guess.

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    RobertPius
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    Yes I think Lahti would have stood a chance also but I wonder if Page’s ton of unrewarded nominations would have carried her to a win.

    Lahti was wonderful in the 80s. I think she should have two more acting nominations for Running on Empty and also the very obscure but excellent Housekeeping.

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    I agree with the observation about Davis and Ashcroft splitting the votes if both were nominated for Leading, and also don’t believe it would have changed the outcome with Sally Field winning. Supporting nomination for Ashcroft was the correct thing to do. This immediately brought to mind what happened with All About Eve (1951) that had two nominations for Leading Actress and two nominations for Supporting Actress splitting votes. None of the four won.

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    I think Goldberg might have won again in 1990. She was popular enough, the movie was big, BP nomination, and a beloved performance. She didn’t just win because she lost in 1985. But lets say she loses, I think Bracco wins to throw something at Goodfellas besides Pesci. It would’ve also been very deserving for Bracco. Bening was coming from Bugsy with some nominations here and there for that film too, so a case could be made for her too.

    Btw, Bracco won LA, Bening NSFC. Bracco had a Globe nod.

    As for 1984, Lahti won NYFCC and came close for LA. She could’ve won.

    Page got nothing, only her Oscar nod. I don’t think she would’ve won for this film. They would’ve kept ignoring her. But then the following year Bountiful comes out and she wins over Goldberg. So we’re back to where we are now. Including saying “Oscar winner Christine Lahti”. People seem to forget she does have an Oscar.

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    Grrrr…Kathleen Turner should have won Best Actress for Romancing the Stone in 1984. Such a classic star turn in a wildly fun movie. She lit up the screen. But why nominate her when you can nominate 3 Oscar bait movies about farms!

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    It is kind of odd Turner wasn’t Oscar-nominated for the two ’80s films she won the Golden Globes for, yet was an Oscar nominee for a picture she didn’t take the Globe for.

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