September 14, 2015 at 9:40 am #194326
Has anyone seen the movie, perhaps at Cannes? The reason I am asking is because I have read the Patricia Highsmith novel “The Price Of Salt” and Mara’s character is the LEAD character!!!! So: why on earth is she being touted as the frontrunner for Best SUPPORTING Actress, when she plays the lead? Or did Todd Haynes adapt it in such a way as to emphasis Carol (Cate Blanchett)? Truth be told, both are lead characters, but Carol is the secondary lead. Based on what I have read and heard from Cannes (where Mara co-won the Best Actress prize) is that she indeed plays the lead (I haven’t seen the movie yet, so I am basing this on hearsay). Is this a Timothy Hutton situation, where he clearly belonged in the lead actor category, but won in the Supporting Actor category? I am truly puzzled by this…. I personally think they will BOTH get Lead Actress nominations if there is honesty in category placements. I am suprised that Rooney Mara isn’t the frontrunner for LEAD Actress…. I would esp. appreciate hearing from anyone who has actually seen the movie that might have insights about this???September 14, 2015 at 9:45 am #194328
Rooney is readily acknowledged as being a co-lead by those who have seen it, but since it’s Harvey Weinstein and he wants as many Oscars as possible, she’s being campaigned in a different category from Blanchett.September 14, 2015 at 11:27 am #194329
You know, I often wonder if we’re all a bit irresponsible predicting category fraud at this stage, as it only reinforces the likelihood of people falling for it. I’m sure it would happen anyway though, and so far it seems to be the plan for Rooney Mara. Also I’m a hypocrite, because I’ve got Mara in my no. 1 spot for Supporting Actress. But when people start touting category fraud as early as March and April, I tend to get cross. I wonder how the nominees feel about it, knowing that they’ve robbed a genuine supporting performance of a deserved nod.September 14, 2015 at 11:38 am #194330
I recall ScottFerguson calling people out on that quite a bit back in 2013 when everyone was quick to go with Julia Roberts in Supporting well before the movie came out (though, of course, there was all that hubbub when it seemed like Streep and Roberts were switching Lead/Supporting positions). I try to avoid doing it that early, but when it becomes the official placement for the Gold Derby prediction center, it’s a bit more difficult to swim against the current when it comes exclusively to predicting things.September 14, 2015 at 11:56 am #194331
Can the academy decide to place her in her appropriate category and overrule Harvey Weinstein? What if the critics groups choose her performance as Best Actress? I’m not predicting it but I dislike it when leads win in the supporting categories; it’s dishonest…. It will be interesting to see what critics groups do…September 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm #194332
Can the academy decide to place her in her appropriate category and overrule Harvey Weinstein?
Academy voters have the option of voting for any performance in either lead or supporting (which I guess means they could technically vote for Daniel Day-Lewis’s Lincoln as supporting or Laura Dern in Wild as a lead – lol.) Despite this, there is no escaping the FYC ads and many voters simply take the promoted categories for granted without being critical. The rare occasions they have overruled the promoted categories have more to do with billing than anything else – e.g. Kate Winslet was first-billed for The Reader which was generally referred to informally as a “Kate Winslet movie”, and there was no lead campaign for another actor in the film, not even the young David Kross (who was also really a lead). More for those reasons than from the actual experience of watching The Reader, Winslet’s supporting campaign didn’t convince voters. Rooney Mara, however, is being touted as ‘supporting’ to Cate Blanchett’s lead campaign, and I’m almost certain people will fall for it hook, line and sinker.September 14, 2015 at 1:56 pm #194333
I knew Blanchett would get raves for a better role as Mary Mapes in Truth so I envision a scenario where she gets nominated for that and Rooney Mara winds up being nominated as lead for Carol. Harvey tries maximizing his chances but smart academy members shouldn’t fall for it.September 14, 2015 at 2:28 pm #194334
I think she’ll end up in lead when all is said and done. I do have her in my supporting lineup, but it is more tentative. If she’s as obviously a lead as the reviews have suggested, then I can’t imagine they’ll push that hard for placement. I’m hoping we get a co-lead nomination, because it’s been a while since that’s happened in the same category.
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I’m thinking we could see Rooney get lead and Cate double-nominated with Carol in supporting, as her Truth performance seems to be getting more love from the audience than a lot of these tipped performances have.September 14, 2015 at 10:45 pm #194336
Oh, hey. Thumbs up are back.September 15, 2015 at 12:46 am #194337
Honestly, its crazy but I can see a scenario where Rooney is put in Lead, Blanchett in Supporting (for Carol) and lead (for Truth) – its not a crazy idea for Blanchett to be Supporting. It makes more sense than for Rooney to be in Supporting.September 15, 2015 at 5:25 am #194338
What I think might happen since Cate is getting rave reviews for Truth (I even saw one saying she is better than in Blue Jasmine) is: Rooney will go Lead (since she already won at Cannes) Cate will still be nominated for Lead for Carol, and then get a 2nd nomination for Truth for Supporting. I think that is the best chance both has to win. I’m sure Harvey probably doesn’t want to do that for Rooney’s sake, but I have seen multiple people say that Cate should be nominated for both movies. Alicia Vikander whether in supporting or Lead has a strong chance at winning, Maggie Smith I think will be a huge underestimated threat and Jennifer Lawrence will be hard to beat. But if they play the award season right, I think both can come away with the top awards.September 15, 2015 at 7:11 am #194339
Harvey won’t give back and will campaing Mara in supporting till the end of days. And I’m not so optimistic on the Academy to reject his fraudulent strategy; if they could bought him Julia Roberts as supporting for A:OC, I mean, JULIA ROBERTS, an America’s sweetheart, one of the biggest female movie stars of the world, queen of media attention, they certainly won’t have problem doing the same with Mara.September 15, 2015 at 8:55 am #194340
For some reason, I think that we oversimplify this sometimes. It is easy to say “It is all Harvey”, given the history, but how many other factors are included here? Is it possible that Mara would prefer to get an Oscar than to risk splitting voice with Cate? Is it possible that the story itself was made about Carol and that it is Carol’s, not Therese’s story (regardless of the book)? Is it even possible that Mara had lower screentime and that they went with that logic? Lastly, is it possible that the public, including this site created that perception? I mean, so many angles…September 16, 2015 at 1:19 am #194341
1) Critics, award ‘pundits’ (who have seen the film), and audiences have stated they are co-leads. They are both leads. e.g:
“It’s crazy that people are debating who should be in the lead and supporting categories for Carol, when Mara and Blanchett are onscreen pretty much for an equal amount of time. Both should be in lead, period.”
Either Mara or Blanchett placed in supporting would be category fraud. The category fraud isn’t remedied by switching them.
2) Critics have declared Blanchett is unquestionably, 100% lead in Truth, as did the distributor (they will not pursue a supporting campaign.)
3) What could happen is, if AMPAS doesn’t mind this particular category fraud and if they want to double nod Blanchett, they she would get the lead nod for Truth and a suporting nod for Carol. IF, big IF.
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