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  • zkrons
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    This same topic has been discussed ad nauseum, but I wanted to assert my opinion because I am tired of reading the opposing opinion over and over.

    At last year’s Academy Awards, Alicia Vikander won Best Supporting Actress for a Lead Role. I think I am in the majority in saying that.

    This year, Viola Davis won Best Supporting Actress for a Supporting Role that became Lead towards the end, but I believe it was supporting overall. Though, I can see the argument for category fraud.

    At last year’s Academy Awards, Rooney Mara was nominated for Best Supporting Actress for an evidently supporting role. Yes, I said it. Rooney Mara was supporting in Carol. Carol had one lead actress: Cate Blanchett. No category fraud was committed with Rooney Mara at the Academy Awards. I know that is an unpopular opinion, but I stick by it.

    In my opinion, Dev Patel’s role in Lion is 1000000x more lead than Rooney Mara’s in Carol.

    Just my opinion though.

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    SN
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    Vikander is one of the worst Best Supporting Actress winners of all time, not because she gave a bad performance, but because she clearly was a co-lead. I think Mara was also a co-lead. She even had more screentime than Cate Blanchett. Both are terrible examples of category fraud and Kate Winslet (I’ll talk about her later) should’ve won for a truly supporting performance. About Viola Davis, I think she could’ve been placed in lead, because she had much screentime, or in supporting, because differently from Vikander and Mara, she wasn’t a co-lead in the whole movie. Patel also wasn’t the lead in my vision. One half of the movie is focused in the young Saroo and the another part had flashbacks from the past. So I think Sunny Pawar was really the main actor.

    But let’s talk about the category fraud of Kate Winslet in The Reader. She was a supporting actress in my vision, even more than Viola Davis, but she was still placed in lead.

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    Macca
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    Vikander had more screen time then Redmayne. SHE is the Danish Girl.

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    Maxwell
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    I think Mara and Blanchett are pretty equal co-leads, but put a gun to my head and I’d say Mara was the protagonist. It’s Therese who changes most, Therese who we’re often asked to identify with, especially in the first part of the film where Carol is more of an object of desire. But, really, they’re both co-leads and we wouldn’t have had this conversation or this nomination scheme if one of the two characters were male. For the record, I think Vikander, Davis, and especially Patel are all clearly lead as well. Yes, category fraud sucks, and no, it isn’t going away.

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    jasonface
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    As for the most recent cases…

    THE DANISH GIRL
    Redmayne – appears in 67% of film
    Vikander – appears in 51% of film
    Based on screen presence and the way the narrative follows both in their separate lives and struggles, Vikander is not supporting and they are both lead actors.

    CAROL
    Blanchett – appears in 54% of film
    Mara – appears in 68% of film
    Based on screen presence, Mara is not supporting and they are both lead actors. Looking at point of view, the narrative seems to favor Mara’s Therese and her life separately more than Blanchett’s Carol. Also, viewers primarily see Carol through Therese’s eyes so really there is a case to be made for a supporting Blanchett, but I would still consider them both lead for now.

    AUGUST: OSAGE COUNTY
    Streep – appears in 46% of film
    Roberts – appears in 43% of film
    Based on screen presence and the way the narrative follows both characters in a near equal capacity, Roberts is not supporting and they are both lead actors.

    As for the less recent but still memorable cases…

    I’d consider Marcia Gay Harden for Pollock, Jennifer Connelly for A Beautiful Mind, and Viola Davis in Fences all to be lead actresses who fraudulently won as supporting actresses. I’ll have to calculate and/or find recorded screen times for these women to compare to their leading (and losing) onscreen husbands.

    Some winners I don’t even want to mention but should acknowledge before they’re incorrectly brought up: Patricia Arquette in Boyhood is absolutely not the lead of the film whatsoever and Octavia Spencer in The Help appears to have more screen time/focus than her “leading” counterpart Viola Davis, but supporting still does seem to be the most appropriate placement.

    And as of now from what I can remember, I still do not consider Catherine Zeta-Jones in Chicago or Rachel Weisz in The Constant Gardener to be leads and feel their supporting wins are properly categorized. Honestly though, I need to rewatch the films.

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    RobertPius
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    It is an annoying trend. If you watch movies from the years ago a lot of the supporting winners had really small roles.

    If you watch Julia for instance the first thing you notice as how small Vanessa Redgrave’s role is even though she is billed as the costar and has the title role. She really only has one big scene and then a few other brief moments. Jason Robards and Maximillin Schell have really small roles too.

    The problem with these leads going supporting is it knocks out the really small roles that won awards for people like Beatrice Straight.

    For instance this year I thought Laura Linney had a great small performance in Nocturnal Animals, but something like that role would never be considered today.

    BTW anyone of a list of the winners with least screen time? TIA

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    huntybunchesofoats
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    tbh I’m just mad Viola Davis didn’t campaign in lead because she’s the only person whom I think could’ve beaten Emma Stone. then we would have Viola as the second black woman to win Best Actress and Academy-Award® Winning Actress Emma Stone Michelle Williams

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    LaChienne
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    tbh I’m just mad Viola Davis didn’t campaign in lead because she’s the only person whom I think could’ve beaten Emma Stone. then we would have Viola as the second black woman to win Best Actress and Academy-Award® Winning Actress Emma Stone Michelle Williams

    I know that even a seasoned veteran like Huppert or previous winner like Portman couldn’t topple Stone but I do think she could have been a serious competitor against her. Davis is extremely popular, well-known, overdue, and gave a hell of a (LEADING) performance. But I guess we’ll never know now.

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    Roney Moore
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    BTW anyone of a list of the winners with least screen time? TIA

    Here all rankings of SActress winners (by percentage). With 56 minute screentime, Viola would be somewhere between Hawn and Vikander, I suppose.

    This guy has lots of cool Oscar lists on his page. Here nominated supporting performances that had more screentime than the lead ones lol; https://letterboxd.com/cinematthew/list/whos-supporting-who/detail/

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    Problemchild
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    IMO, Viola is supporting. Denzel is the sole lead as the story revolves around his character and his relationships with the people in his life. But I still wished Viola was placed in lead just to become the second black Actress with a lead Oscar and to hopefully prevent Emma Stone’s undeserving win; AND open up Supporting for Naomi Harris.

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    SkyLight
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    But let’s talk about the category fraud of Kate Winslet in The Reader. She was a supporting actress in my vision, even more than Viola Davis, but she was still placed in lead.

    This was never a category fraud. They were trying to put her in supporting to get double noms but the Academy placed her in the right category.

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    LaChienne
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    TV Tropes also has a good page on Award Category Fraud if you’re into that sort of thing.

    Since there’s really no criteria for which category you’re placed into, would there ever be a good way to make a concrete rule on what category a performance can be placed into? There is indeed a struggle between percentage of screentime vs. written role within story but I do admittedly have a bias toward the former.

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    Honey
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    As long as these “supporting actress” winners aren’t complaining later on that there’s “not many leading roles for women”, then it’s whatever. Go blame the Academy for not having clear defined guidelines for what is supporting. It’s not the studios or actors/actresses fault for going strategic for the win.

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    Andrew D
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    I think that the only way to change this issue would be to institute some sort of rules about screen time. But once you do that your maybe going to have performances that deserve at least a nomination and some for of recognition wont get nominated

    example Rooney Mara in Carol , there was no way she would have broke into the best actress field, so she got a well deserved nomination even if in the wrong category

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    Maybe Emily Blunt should have not entered lead for Into the Woods.

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