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  • Trent
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    Usually a few years after people win, their wins are categorized as bad, good or indifferent. For example:

    What we now consider bad: Reese Witherspoon, Gwyneth Paltrow
    What we now consider good: Charlize Theron, Holly Hunter
    What we now consider indifferent: Hilary Swank (1st), Judi Dench

    Which recent wins (from the past few years) do you think will be put on pedastals like this? My opinion:

    Bad: Sandra Bullock, Jeff Bridges, Melissa Leo, Jean Dujardin, Octavia Spencer
    Good: Heath Ledger, Christoph Waltz, Mo’nique, Colin Firth
    Indifferent: Christian Bale, Natalie Portman, Christopher Plummer, Meryl Streep

    Thoughts? 

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    babypook
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    “Which recent wins (from the past few years) do you think will be put on pedastals like this?”

    Well who knows what lurks in the hearts of men? I could ask the Shadow I suppose.

    This “we” thing is amusing. “We” would never have Mo’Nique in the ‘good’ category and I dont need any time or retrospective to have come to this conclusion.

    For me, it’s the snubs and overlooked masterpieces and stellar perfs which stays with me.

    “Good, bad. I’m the one with the gun”  Ash.

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    Mrs. Doolittle
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    I don’t understand the hate for Spencer. She was clearly the most superior in the category.McCarthy was lucky to even be nominated for such a one note performance, Chastain would’ve been competitive had she gone for ToL but she hardly did much in The Help, Bejo was fine but the only thing memorable she did was dance, and McTeer was good enough to win but her film sucked.

    Though I have to say people will see Kate Winslet’s win as horrid as Bette Davis’s win for Dangerous. Especially for someone of her range and talent.

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    seany
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    Portman was incredible in Black swan would have won this year.

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    black30
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    I don’t understand the hate for Spencer. She was clearly the most superior in the category.McCarthy was lucky to even be nominated for such a one note performance, Chastain would’ve been competitive had she gone for ToL but she hardly did much in The Help, Bejo was fine but the only thing memorable she did was dance, and McTeer was good enough to win but her film sucked.

    Though I have to say people will see Kate Winslet’s win as horrid as Bette Davis’s win for Dangerous. Especially for someone of her range and talent.

    Spencer was the worst nominee in her category and from her film. Chastain didn’t show her range with Tree of Life. It was The Help and playing an outcast blonde that did for those of us who appreciate that performance. 

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    [quote=”Natla59″]I don’t understand the hate for Spencer. She was clearly the most superior in the category.McCarthy was lucky to even be nominated for such a one note performance, Chastain would’ve been competitive had she gone for ToL but she hardly did much in The Help, Bejo was fine but the only thing memorable she did was dance, and McTeer was good enough to win but her film sucked.

    Though I have to say people will see Kate Winslet’s win as horrid as Bette Davis’s win for Dangerous. Especially for someone of her range and talent.

    Spencer was the worst nominee in her category and from her film. Chastain didn’t show her range with Tree of Life. It was The Help and playing an outcast blonde that did for those of us who appreciate that performance. [/quote]

    I don’t think spencer was the worst but she was definitly not the best. These are my rankings for that year.

    1. Janet Mcteer Albert Nobbs
    2. Jessica Chastain – The Help
    3. Berenice Bejo – The Artist
    4. Octavia Spencer – The Help
    5. Melissa McCarthy – Bridesmaids.

    Octavia won purely because she won everyone over with the “eat my shit” scene.

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    babypook
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    Well that isnt the scene which ‘won me over’. It was one of many. Her entire performance is entirely natural and credible. I dont think she had that “Oscar Moment” but the impression she left with me was a very good one. We cant EVER know who was the “best”, but imo, Octavia deserved her notices.

    Sheesh. I’m happy for her.

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    The Hurt Locker will certainly fail the test of time; its victory will be merely regarded as a ill-conceived, misplaced protest vote against the most popular film of all time that year (the belief that Avatar’s technological advances would render actors obsolete, an absolute lie). Also, the gender politics that surely were in play (let’s make up for not giving Sofia Coppola best director for Lost in Translation and rectify that by giving it to someone whose last relevant movie was 13 years earlier), Nicholas Chartier’s antics in the final week of voting (vote for us, not the ‘$500 million film’), pandering to Academy voters directly.  It will be as much of an asterisk as any of baseball’s records in the Steroid Era.  50 years from now, people will wonder how in the world could Avatar have lost.

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    The Hurt Locker will certainly fail the test of time; its victory will be merely regarded as a ill-conceived, misplaced protest vote against the most popular film of all time that year (the belief that Avatar’s technological advances would render actors obsolete, an absolute lie). Also, the gender politics that surely were in play (let’s make up for not giving Sofia Coppola best director for Lost in Translation and rectify that by giving it to someone whose last relevant movie was 13 years earlier), Nicholas Chartier’s antics in the final week of voting (vote for us, not the ‘$500 million film’), pandering to Academy voters directly.  It will be as much of an asterisk as any of baseball’s records in the Steroid Era.  50 years from now, people will wonder how in the world could Avatar have lost.

    As time goes by, I feel more and more strongly that Avatar’s Best Picture loss is a complete and utter injustice.

    I am glad that I can agree with you about something, Paul.

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    Octavia Spencer and Monique.

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    [quote=”PaulHanlinJr”]The Hurt Locker will certainly fail the test of time; its victory will be merely regarded as a ill-conceived, misplaced protest vote against the most popular film of all time that year (the belief that Avatar’s technological advances would render actors obsolete, an absolute lie). Also, the gender politics that surely were in play (let’s make up for not giving Sofia Coppola best director for Lost in Translation and rectify that by giving it to someone whose last relevant movie was 13 years earlier), Nicholas Chartier’s antics in the final week of voting (vote for us, not the ‘$500 million film’), pandering to Academy voters directly.  It will be as much of an asterisk as any of baseball’s records in the Steroid Era.  50 years from now, people will wonder how in the world could Avatar have lost.

    As time goes by, I feel more and more strongly that Avatar’s Best Picture loss is a complete and utter injustice.

    I am glad that I can agree with you about something, Paul.[/quote]

    I’m no fan of Avatar but in retrospect it definitely should have won. It’s not a exactly a classic lineup but I hate Hurt Locker with passion. I’ve never been so bored in my life. Awful film.

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    I’ll focus on the recent acting wins that I think will be perceived as “good” and stand the test of time.

    Javier Bardem, “No Country for Old Men”

    Marion Cotillard, “La Vie en Rose”

    Daniel Day-Lewis, “There Will Be Blood”

    Heath Ledger, “The Dark Knight”

    Helen Mirren, “The Queen”

    Mo’Nique, “Precious: Based on the Novel ‘Push’ by Sapphire”

    Sean Penn, “Milk”

    Natalie Portman, “Black Swan”

    Tilda Swinton, “Michael Clayton”

    Christoph Waltz, “Inglourious Basterds”

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    Great Wins

    Charlize Theron “Monster”

    Helen Mirren “The Queen” 

    Marion Cotillard “La Vie en Rose”

    Natalie Portman “Black Swan” (best in Best Actress since 2000)

    Adrien Brody “The Pianist”

    Philip Seymour Hoffman “Capote”

    Daniel Day-Lewis “There Will Be Blood” (best in Best Actor since 2000)

    Sean Penn “Milk”

    Marcia Gay Harden “Pollock”

    Catherine Zeta-Jones “Chicago”

    Cate Blanchett “The Aviator”

    Mo’Nique “Precious” (best in Best S.Actress since 2000)

    Benicio del Toro “Traffic”

    Javier Bardem “No Country for Old Men”

    Heath Ledger “The Dark Knight”

    Christoph Waltz “Inglourious Basterds” (best in Best S.Actor since 2000)

    Solid Wins

    Julia Roberts “Erin Brockovich”

    Nicole Kidman “The Hours”

    Kate Winslet “The Reader”

    Meryl Streep “The Iron Lady”

    Russell Crowe “Gladiator”

    Denzel Washington “Training Day”

    Sean Penn “Mystic River”

    Forest Whitaker “The Last King of Scotland”

    Jeff Bridges “Crazy Heart”

    Colin Firth “The King’s Speech”

    Jean Dujardin “The Artist”

    Jennifer Connelly “A Beautiful Mind”

    Tilda Swinton “Michael Clayton”

    Penélope Cruz “Vicky Cristina Barcelona”

    Octavia Spencer “The Help”

    Jim Broadbent “Iris”

    Chris Cooper “Adaptation”

    Morgan Freeman “Million Dollar Baby”

    Christian Bale “The Fighter”

    Christopher Plummer “Beginners”

    Bad Wins

    Halle Berry “Monster’s Ball”

    Hilary Swank “Million Dollar Baby” (her first one is great)

    Reese Witherspoon “Walk the Line” (worst in Best Actress since 2000)

    Sandra Bullock “The Blind Side”

    Jamie Foxx “Ray” (worst in Best Actor since 2000)

    Renée Zellweger “Cold Mountain”

    Rachel Weisz “The Constant Gardener”

    Jennifer Hudson “Dreamgirls”

    Melissa Leo “The Fighter” (worst in Best S.Actress since 2000)

    Tim Robbins “Mystic River”

    George Clooney “Syriana” (worst in Best S.Actor since 2000)

    Alan Arkin “Little Miss Sunshine”

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    Morgan Henard
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    Usually a few years after people win, their wins are categorized as bad, good or indifferent. For example:

    What we now consider bad: Reese Witherspoon, Gwyneth Paltrow
    What we now consider good: Charlize Theron, Holly Hunter
    What we now consider indifferent: Hilary Swank (1st), Judi Dench

    Thoughts? 

    Do you mean Swank’s second? I don’t see how anyone could rank her win for Boys Don’t Cry as “indifferent.” Had Bening won, her win would be overshadowed with, “Yeah, only because she got swept in the love for her film. Swank gave the best performance in the category.” And, honestly, Bening is too good of an actress to have her statue come with all of those politics (i.e. Winslet for The Reader). For what it’s worth, I had Bening ranked above Swank in their round two; ironically, that is a true example of someone winning because of the Academy’s overall love for the film.  

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    [quote=”PaulHanlinJr”]The Hurt Locker will certainly fail the test of time; its victory will be merely regarded as a ill-conceived, misplaced protest vote against the most popular film of all time that year (the belief that Avatar’s technological advances would render actors obsolete, an absolute lie). Also, the gender politics that surely were in play (let’s make up for not giving Sofia Coppola best director for Lost in Translation and rectify that by giving it to someone whose last relevant movie was 13 years earlier), Nicholas Chartier’s antics in the final week of voting (vote for us, not the ‘$500 million film’), pandering to Academy voters directly.  It will be as much of an asterisk as any of baseball’s records in the Steroid Era.  50 years from now, people will wonder how in the world could Avatar have lost.

    As time goes by, I feel more and more strongly that Avatar’s Best Picture loss is a complete and utter injustice.

    I am glad that I can agree with you about something, Paul.[/quote]

    Avatar is one of my all-time favorite films. The ground-breaking visuals, and the spirituality in the film struck home  in ways other films didnt.
    But, I dont think Avatar “lost” anything. Lol. No….nothing. Nothing at all…..$$$$$$. Ah James; righteous people hate you, and yet, your films are golden n’est ce pas? Haha.

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