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  • FreemanGriffin
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    If enough academy members challenge a placement that producers make in their campaigning for Oscars in any of the acting categories a small committee of 7-9 (an odd number, to avoid tie votes) would get together, watch the film, and decide which category the performance actually belongs in. This would avoid the problem of putting clear lead (and child performers who are leads would then compete in their correct categories). This wouldn’t be hard to do. They would need to be independent of any producers (read: Harvey Weinstein!) meddling. My belief is that Jacob Tremblay would be deemed lead, and Rooney Mara and Alicia Vikander (The Danish Girl) would be deemed lead. Paul Dano would be interesting – I see him as a lead but the committee might have an interesting discussion on that topic! Why don’t they do this?

    I simply don’t get why so many film critics groups also put Rooney Mara in the Supporting Actress category? Any thoughts on why? It makes ZERO sense as she is the co-lead and actually has the larger role of the two – the story is about her!

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    Milk Money
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    I nix the idea. One of the beautiful things about being a part of the Academy’s acting branch is that actors hold the right to vote anyway we desire.

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    Philip
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    I nix the idea. One of the beautiful things about being a part of the Academy’s acting branch is that actors hold the right to vote anyway we desire.

    99% of the time they vote the way they are told instead of thinking for themselves.

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    CanadianFan
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    #206432

    I nix the idea. One of the beautiful things about being a part of the Academy’s acting branch is that actors hold the right to vote anyway we desire.

    You lose that privilege once you prove that you are slaves to the marketing machine. 

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    Anonymous
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    Why do we have like 50 topics on the same issue? …. It seems a bit off at this point.

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    24Emmy
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    #206434

    Only if Sasha is the committee chair and lets us watch the proceedings.

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    Sasha
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    #206435

    ^ You know I wouldn’t fuck around. Harvey would hate my guts.

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    mirandah96
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    #206436

    Scott Fienberg wrote about this today with a solution to category fraud:

     http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/oscars-5-ways-academy-can-851595

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    bondzzz
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    #206437

    who says that that the committee won’t eventually decide on a placement which some ppl think is a fraud. just let the members decide. and yeah, why is this topic keeps popping up? 

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    M H
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    #206438

    We have been told again and again by people in the know that this isn’t something that voters/members are concerned about. Category fraud isn’t even on the Academy radar. 

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    ETPhoneHome
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    I suggested this in another thread, and it does baffle me how the academy doesn’t see it as a problem that category placement continues to be an issue in the nomination process. If they are going to have them divided in lead and supporting, they should have some kind of consistency as to what qualifies as one or the other. A committee seems like the easiest way to do it, rather than having some ridiculous process of analyzing screen time or randomly judging their importance to the story.

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    Eddy Q
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    ^ But isn’t that how anyone should decide category placement? Analysis of screen time and narrative importance? That’s what the committee would do, if they ever decide to have one. Though my main concern is that they’d make silly decisions based on warped ideas about what constitutes a lead or a supporting role, influenced by decades of unchallenged category fraud. 

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    benutty
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    We have been told again and again by people in the know that this isn’t something that voters/members are concerned about. Category fraud isn’t even on the Academy radar. 

    Seriously. The war against “category fraud” is a concern only for people (critics and their followers) that find themselves frustrated by the fact that their personal favorites of the season are squeezed out of categories they BELIEVE they’d fit into if fraud didn’t push them out.

    Like, I’m sorry to tell you this but Joan Allen wasn’t getting in for Room even if Mara and Vikander were campaigned Lead. 

    The truth is that campaigning in a specific category is as strong of a tool as any other used on the campaign trail, all of which have positive/negative effects on the awards race.

    My advice: get over it

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    Rooney Moore
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    #206442

    But how many movies can they watch really? “Only the debatable ones” According to who? Critics? “Only the movies that are seriously in award conversation” That would take away the whole legitimacy of the Oscars and limit the Academy’s vision.

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    Eddy Q
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    @ benutty: What??!! No, category fraud (why the scare-quotes?) is a concern because people are getting nominated in categories they should not be considered or even eligilble for, full-stop. You really don’t see a problem with Ethan Hawke being a supporting nominee for Training Day, or Julia Roberts for August: Osage County or Martin Landau for Crimes and Misdemeanors? How much you are personally bothered by it is your own prerogative but you can’t be surprised that people care. Genuine supporting players getting pushed out who may or may not have had a chance otherwise isn’t even the main problem, although it is part of it. It’s the fact that there are certain undeniable lead performances in the wrong category, which is inherently ridiculous. It’s like nominating a costume designer in the makeup category or something. It’s just wrong.

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