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  • Djoko
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    http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=741559

    We’ll always have “Marty” and “The Poseidon Adventure.”

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    Scottferguson
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    He was the earliest best actor winner still alive (1955)

    That distinction now goes to Maximilian Schell (1961) 

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    Carbon Based Lifeform
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    I wonder if he ever got a chance to watch BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN before, you know, he kicked the bucket?

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    Scottferguson
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    Probably more likely than that you’ll ever see Ted.

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    Miss Frost
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    He was a big homophobe? Oh how classy of him.

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    Carbon Based Lifeform
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    Probably more likely than that you’ll ever see Ted.

    No, I’m just waiting for TED to show up in the 99-cent bins down at the Wal-Mart… which won’t be long.

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    Laactingnyc
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    RIP

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    dannyboy.
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    He was a big homophobe? Oh how classy of him.

    Big doesn’t begin to cover it. RIP.

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    Scottferguson
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    Is there any other evidence than (it’s totally legitimate to mention) his refusal to watch BM?

    It’s important to be noted, but it wasn’t his whole life.

    I can still consider Thomas Jefferson an important and sometimes great leader even if he did also own slaves. Lots of people of quality and talent did and thought bad things. The bad is relevant, but doesn’t necessarily define the person in total.    

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    dannyboy.
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    Well it certainly doesn’t define his career. It does speak to him as a person.

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    Scottferguson
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    As a small part of him.

    He was in his late 80s when this happened. He lived a life where for the vast majority of it fear of anything gay permeated our society, and was accepted by nearly everyone. Not seeing a movie also doesn’t mean there is any evidence that he actively damaged anyone who was gay, didn’t accept them in his life as equals on many occassions, and otherwise felt comfortable around them. That’s why I asked if there was any other evidence.

    He was briefly married to Ethel Merman, a gay icon.

    SAG gave him an honorary award after the BM incident. SAG is possibly 20% gay or more. To my knowledge, his peers were willing to look past this (there was no protest to my knowledge).

    As I said, worth being mentioned. But it’s a footnote, not the headline.          

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    Logan
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    What was the exact quote he gave? I have brothers that accept me but didn’t want to watch BM because they heard there were gay sex scenes in them. They were more immature when they said this than Borgnine was, but I don’t know if it’s fair to call a straight guy a homophobe just because he isn’t comfortable with watching two men portray a gay relationship on screen. Perhaps Borgnine said that he was disgusted by the stoyline, I don’t know, but it’s something to explore.  

    He could have been greeted by Ledger for all we know.  

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    dannyboy.
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    I actually think he and Tony Curtis being so publically against the concept of a gay western altered the results that year. Of course if the voters chose to listen to them and not even watch the film than they are equally to blame.

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    Scottferguson
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    #   (a later comment, in a q/a)

    The original quote (from EW) – I didn’t see [Brokeback Mountain] and I don’t care to see it. I know they say it’s a good picture, but I don’t care to see it. If John Wayne were alive, he’d be rolling over in his grave!

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    Carbon Based Lifeform
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    I don’t know if it’s fair to call a straight guy a homophobe just because he isn’t comfortable with watching two men portray a gay relationship on screen.

    You think? Do you think it’s fair to call a white guy a “racist” if he isn’t comfortable with watching black people on screen? I do. And so I also think it’s fair to call a straight guy a “homophobe” if he isn’t comfortable with watching a movie about gay characters.

    BTW, BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN wasn’t pornography, you know.

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