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Robin Williams & Sally Field – Snubbed of noms. for Mrs. Doubtfire?

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    #176740

    I recently watched Mrs.
    Doubtfire
    . I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it, but I was surprised to
    see how much it holds up 22 years later. I know the film received one
    nomination and win for the 1993 Oscars (Makeup), but should it have received more?

    In deciding if I was being an overly enthusiastic fan or not, I decided to look
    at who the Oscar nominees were, plus the winners and nominees at the major
    precursors. The SAG Awards didn’t start their competitive races until the next
    year.

    Lead Actor
    – Oscars: Tom Hanks for Philadelphia
    (won), Daniel Day-Lewis for In the Name
    of the Father
    , Laurence Fishburne for What’s
    Love Got To Do With It
    , Anthony Hopkins for The Remains of the Day, and Liam Neeson for Schindler’s List.
    – BAFTAs: Mrs. Doubtfire wasn’t
    eligible at BAFTA until the next year. It would only get in for Makeup. But the
    nominations for this same year were double-nominee Anthony Hopkins for Shadowlands and The Remains of the Day (winning for the latter), Daniel Day-Lewis
    for In the Name of the Father, and
    Liam Neeson for Schindler’s List.
    – Globe Drama Actor nominees: Day-Lewis, Hanks (winner), Hopkins for The Remains of the Day, Neeson, and
    Harrison Ford for The Fugitive.
    – Globe Comedy/Musical Actor nominees that Williams beat: Johnny Depp for Benny & Joon, Tom Hanks for Sleepless in Seattle, Kevin Kline for Dave, and Colm Meaney for The Snapper.
    – NBR & LAFCA Awards: Anthony Hopkins for both The Remains of the Day and Shadowlands
    – NYFCC Award: David Thewlis for Mike Leigh’s Naked.

    Supporting Actress
    – Oscar: Anna Paquin for The Piano
    (winner), Holly Hunter for The Firm,
    Rosie Perez for Fearless, Winona
    Ryder for The Age of Innocence, and
    Emma Thompson for In the Name of the
    Father
    .
    – BAFTA (even though Mrs. Doubtfire
    wasn’t eligible): Miriam Margolyes for The
    Age of Innocence
    (winner), Winona Ryder for The Age of Innocence, Maggie Smith for The Secret Garden, and Holly Hunter for The Firm.
    – Globes: Winona Ryder for The Age of
    Innocence
    (winner), Penelope Ann Miller for Carlito’s Way, Anna Paquin for The
    Piano
    , Rosie Perez for Fearless,
    and Emma Thompson for In the Name of the
    Father
    .
    – LAFCA winner: [TIE] Anna Paquin for The
    Piano
    and Rosie Perez for Fearless
    – NYCCA winner: Gong Li for Farewell My
    Concubine

    – NBR winner: Winona Ryder for The Age of
    Innocence

    After looking at all of that, there are several I need to see, including Naked and Carlito’s Way.

    But two nominees that I can for sure say Williams and Field should have been
    able to bump out were Laurence Fishburne and Holly Hunter. Fishburne was fine
    in What’s Love Got To Do With It, but
    he easily ranks last to the other four, and honestly, he should have been in
    Supporting Actor. And Holly Hunter in The
    Firm
    ? C’mon.  I know she had a BAFTA
    nom with her Oscar nom, but there is nothing at all worthy about her
    performance in The Firm. I won’t
    begrudge anything she received for The
    Piano
    , but her being nominated for The
    Firm
    seems like scraping the bottom of the barrel for contenders.

    That would have left the fields to look like:

    Lead Actor
    – Daniel Day-Lewis, In the Name of the
    Father
    *Tom Hanks, Philadelpha
    – Anthony Hopkins, The Remains of the
    Day
    – Liam Neeson, Schindler’s List
    – Robin Williams, Mrs. Doubtfire

    Supp. Actress
    – Sally Field, Mrs. Doubtfire
    *Anna Paquin, The Piano
    – Rosie Perez, Fearless
    – Winona Ryder, The Age of Innocense

    – Emma Thompson, In the Name of the
    Father

    What do you guys think? Was the love at the Golden Globes for Mrs. Doubtfire enough? Or would Williams
    and Field made worthy nominees? Vote on the poll above and do explain!

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    Sally Field is okay in “Mrs. Doubtfire” – it’s far away from being an original role or performance, and basically anyone could play a role like this. So nah, there is no way she was Oscar-worthy in this film.

    Robin Williams is great, and in a weak field, I wouldn’t mind seeing his name among the nominees, but for some reason I wasn’t thinking about the word “Oscar” when I watched the performances in “Mrs. Doubtfire” so I have no idea.

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    Macbeth
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    Its an interesting point you bring up Gone Guy, because I love this performance, but I must agree with Vincelette that it wasn’t a typical Oscar performance, but a nomination would not have been bad at all.

    But now that you mention it, I stand by my belief that David Thewlis should have won that year.  

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    If you look at Oscar history, this classic film serves as an example of lasting bias in the Academy. The voters don’t have a terrific sense of humor.

    American Film Institute’s list of the finest 100 film comedies of all time is topped by two cross dressing classics, Some Like It Hot and Tootsie (Mrs. Doubtfire is #67). Both leads lost their Best Actor nominations to men in epic films. Jack Lemmon as Jerry / Daphne in Some Like It Hot lost to Charlton Heston in Ben-Hur while Dustin Hoffman as Michael / Dorothy in Tootsie lost to Ben Kingsley in Gandhi. It is sad to note that the arguably greatest comedy in film history Some Like It Hot failed to garner a Best Picture nomination.

    Robin Williams was recognized for decidedly serious work in Dead Poets Society, The Fisher King, Good Morning Vietnam and Good Will Hunting. Lasting work in film comedy like Mrs. Doubtfire and most notably Aladdin was ignored.

    Comedy alone did not prevent Sally Field’s ability to score a nomination. From her second Best Actress win in 1984 till her nomination for Lincoln 30 years or so later, Field’s other stellar efforts during this long dry spell went unrewarded by the Academy. Terrific work in Steel Magnolias, Murphy’s Romance, Forrest Gump and the underrated Punchline were all ignored. (If you discount the discriminatory age factor for women in Hollywood, note how Field went from the contemporary of Tom Hanks in Punchline to playing his mother in Forrest Gump five year later).

    In hindsight, Mrs. Doubtfire deserved a better showing at the Academy Awards.

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    Williams making it in wouldn’t have been too bad a choice, though, having not yet seen David Thewliss, I think the real overlooked performance of the year was Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. 

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    Williams absolutely was worthy of a nomination for such a deft mix of laugh-out-loud comedy and real pathos. And Field really contributes more to the scenario than what was on paper. The ex-wife could have easily been played as a humorless shrew, but Field complicates the character in a wonderfully textured way. You see a frustrated woman who wants to be a better parent, who wants a stable environment for her kids and herself, and she’s not unaware or unmoved by the fact that her decisions are causing a rift with her offspring, as well as a man who’s still in love with her. She’s an imperfect work in progress, but very much a recognizable human being, and I always felt that Field deserved a lot more credit than she’s received over the years for making “Mrs. Doubtfire” work.

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    I’m all for comedic performance getting more credit, and I think Williams is an actor that used to really shine with the right material and tone, but I don’t think Ms. Doubtfire was deserving of any acting nominations, if only because it is so clearly a man dressed in old-lady drag doing a silly voice and that’s about it. Even the jokes are kinda lazy and seem to think that’s all you need to do to make this funny. Robin clearly tries to make it something more occasionally with his improvisational skills, but ultimately it’s still pretty much the same exact joke beaten to death throughout the movie, so no, I don’t think he should have made it in (especially as Thewlis was snubbed for what’s probably the best performance in a Mike Leigh movie and one of the greatest performances in british cinema in the 90’s). As for Field, she really had no business being in the conversation for that role and that movie in what was a really strong year for female supporting performances.

    If any comedic performance of that year should’ve broken through, it’s defintely Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. Kevin Kline in Dave would also have made a better alternative to Williams. I’ll check if there are any others, because again, I really, really think we should recognize comedic acting more often.

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    Is this real life?

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    If any comedic performance of that year should’ve broken through, it’s defintely Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. Kevin Kline in Dave would also have been a better alternative to Williams. I’ll check if there are any others, because again, I really, really think we should recognize comedic acting more often.

    This is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread. As I traditionally do, I rewatched Groundhog Day yesterday, and Murray’s wasn’t just the best comedic performance of that year, I would classify it among the greatest comedic performances of all time. Williams was good in the role, but after Dustin Hoffman won fairly recently for Tootsie, the comparisons were inevitable, and Hoffman would win that comparison every single time. Murray should have been in the talk, and it’s a shame he wasn’t.

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    Fishburne was fine
    in
    What’s Love Got To Do With It, but
    he easily ranks last to the other four, and honestly, he should have been in
    Supporting Actor.

    His category classification is correct.

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    Laurence Fishburne was placed in the right category and totally deserved his Best Actor Oscar nomination.

    Robin Williams was worthy of a Best Actor nomination for Mrs. Doubtfire.  However, Sally Field was not deserving of a Best Supporting Actress nomination for Mrs. Doubtfire.

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    I wouldn’t have removed Fishburne. He was very deserving. Hopkins could have been left off, especially since he had just won the year before.

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    Its an interesting point you bring up Gone Guy, because I love this performance, but I must agree with Vincelette that it wasn’t a typical Oscar performance, but a nomination would not have been bad at all.

    But now that you mention it, I stand by my belief that David Thewlis should have won that year.  

     

    It’s was a surprise and a shame he missed out on a nomination. Naked was a difficult watch for me but Thewlis is outstanding. He was muscled out by some acting heavy-weights and more monied studios I suppose. Plus, it attracted far less box office than The Hurt Locker.

     

    @Gone_Guy

    Mrs Doubtfire is a hoot! If we wipe out the negative bias towards comedies in general and stylized perfs (which hasnt stopped others from winning) and films which on the surface appears to lack gravitas, well, who knows. I’m speaking of the late, great Robin Williams. Sally is always good, but I dont think she had Oscar in mind at this point.

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    Is this real life?

    Is that all you have to contribute?  

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    Some reporters were predicting Willaims and since fishburne was mentioned as a possibility for supporting him showing up in lead was a real surprise. Then many reporters would say williams was snubbed. He would’ve been a great nominee. The restaurant back and forth between tables? Tremendous. Bafta following oscars by giving hunter a nomination was strange! She was a scene strealer but there were better. Field would’ve been good too. Also for the reataurant scene.

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