Steven Spielberg: Is he TRYING TOO HARD to win the Oscar and KILLING Lincoln’s chances???

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  • KT
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    We know that people in the film industry like Lincoln.  It has 12 Oscar nominations = clear support above and below the line.  And it’s perhaps Steven Spielberg’s strongest film since Schindler’s List.  BUT, I’m not sure there is widespread LOVE for Lincoln.  Following tonight’s Golden Globe Awards, I think Spielberg is MAKING IT WAY TOO CLEAR that he wants to win another Directing Oscar and Picture Oscar.  There is NO subtlety in the campaigning, and it may be KILLING LINCOLN (to borrow from Bill O’Reilly).  

    Eight examples:
    1 – THE PREMISE = engineered for Oscar – romanticized historical time period and iconic American figure meet acclaimed director and Time Magazine’s “World’s Greatest Actor”; Spielberg’s proclaimed “passion project,” chasing DDL for years
    2 – ENDLESS TV spots, very intimate 60 minutes coverage with Spielberg’s parents and how he doesn’t want to do any more mindless action movies (riiiiiiight), 1.5 hour Oprah-lovefest interview
    3 – Going to Washington to get government support for the movie, when Zero Dark Thirty doesn’t have any
    4 – The OVERPACKAGED Lincoln screener: including a bound script, beautiful photographs and historical context, John Williams’ soundtrack = this film is important, VOTE FOR ME
    5 – TAKING the role of GOLIATH over David: NOT establishing the film as an underdog AT ALL, constantly promoting the across-the-board “Oscar-winning” cast and crew rather than letting the film (and its tremendous box office) speak for itself in awards season
    6 – INTENTIONALLY putting Robopocalypse “on hold” just before the awards to not take away from his “prestige” filmmaking
    7 – Spielberg is snubbed for BAFTA, but his main competition KATHRYN BIGELOW and BEN AFFLECK MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR in the Oscar Best Director category…..hmmmm — were some directors lobbied OR paid off Harvey Weinstein-style??
    8 – And tonight, BRINGING Bill Clinton(!!!!!) to the Golden Globes to present how IMPORTANT and TIMELY Lincoln is.  In my opinion, this could have been the killing blow: WAY TOO OBVIOUS statement on Spielberg’s part, and clear example of his POWER to influence

    The huge problem is that I don’t think this would make me want to vote for Spielberg or the film.  He wants it TOO BADLY.  We saw this at the Golden Globes, where Tommy Lee Jones, Kushner’s screenplay, John Williams’ score, etc. were all passed over.  Now some argue the Globes are meaningless…but I’m not so sure.  I think many Academy voters will be much more inclined to vote for someone who made a great film that unexpectedly found great acclaim.  Perhaps not being as pro-active during the Saving Private Ryan year has caused a much more aggressive campaign.  Have any of you picked up on this and have any thoughts?

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    the spotless mind
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    #84587

    The next two weeks before PGA are going to be long. LOL

    Stop it, spotless, you are strong.  

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    Renaton
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    The action film thing is true. Even before “Lincoln” he’s been saying he doesn’t think there’s much more he can offer the genre and that he’s just not that interested in it as much anymore. It’s why he wouldn’t be directing the “Tintin” sequels. “Robotapocalypse” will probably be his last action film, at least for a long time. He sounds more interested in doing dramas and comedies.

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    the spotless mind
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    I guarantee you Harvey is even more aggressive. Like I said earlier, there will be blood spilled in this race. 

    You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.  

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    KT
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    I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to see him tackle the thriller genre again.  Some of his best filmmaking in terms of technique can be seen in how he captures suspense.  If he did a project along these lines, and the film became an unexpected success, I’d be more supportive of him winning a third time.  I just don’t like what it says about the Academy: Spielberg tackles history, he wins Oscars.

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    the spotless mind
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    I just don’t like what it says about the Academy: Spielberg tackles history, he wins Oscars.

    The Color Purple, Empire of the Sun, Amistad and Munich say hi.  

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    Icky
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    I blame him for Bigelow’s snub. There, I said it. There’s no evidence of such, just as there’s no evidence that ZDT promotes torture. Yet, just as those decriers have done to Bigelow, I’m gonna throw probably unwarranted shade at Steven. I also just didn’t like his movie.

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    24Emmy
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    Can you blame him? He’s up against Harvey Weinstein lol.

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    And two of those were nominated for Best Picture.  And Color Purple and Empire of the Sun were blatant attempts on Spielberg’s part to be taken more seriously and were early attempts to finally win an Oscar….do a history movie, be a serious filmmaker.  Just saying I would rather see a non-historical film be his third Directing Oscar.
     

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    Scottferguson
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    I heard he had Bill Clinton introduce the clip? That is officially overkill and trying too hard.

    It’s not like Clinton called up and said, hey Steven, would you let me introduce the clip on the Golden Globes? Somebody had to pursue this.

    The weird thing is he should easily win BD now. It’s not that there is an obvious go to alternative (maybe Haneke is Polanski with no Holllywood ties other than Naomi Watts but no baggage either, but he doesn’t have a Rosemary’s Baby/Chinatown/Tess behind him).

    Again, the awards season begins two weeks from now with the PGAs. This is all spring training still.      

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    24Emmy
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    I blame him for Bigelow’s snub. There, I said it. There’s no evidence of such, just as there’s no evidence that ZDT promotes torture. Yet, just as those decriers have done to Bigelow, I’m gonna throw probably unwarranted shade at Steven. I also just didn’t like his movie.

    Why not blame Michael Haneke and Benh Zeitlin? The 2 surprise nominees that kicked Ben Affleck and Kathryn Bigelow out of Best Director.

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    [quote=”Eeeekk”]I blame him for Bigelow’s snub. There, I said it. There’s no evidence of such, just as there’s no evidence that ZDT promotes torture. Yet, just as those decriers have done to Bigelow, I’m gonna throw probably unwarranted shade at Steven. I also just didn’t like his movie.

    Why not blame Michael Haneke and Benh Zeitlin? The 2 surprise nominees that kicked Ben Affleck and Kathryn Bigelow out of Best Director.[/quote]

    Because I liked their movies. It’s a weird logic that can will only be understand when our species evolves.

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    Renaton
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    it really is disheartning such a filmmaker at entertainment only gets nominated for his heavy-handed historical films. I haven’t seen “Lincoln” yet, but I know people who found it entertaining (they say the film is surprisingly funny). I agree it would be refreshing to see Spielberg do a thriller. he used to be great at those, but seems ot have abandoned them. Shame.

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    [quote=”Eeeekk”]I blame him for Bigelow’s snub. There, I said it. There’s no evidence of such, just as there’s no evidence that ZDT promotes torture. Yet, just as those decriers have done to Bigelow, I’m gonna throw probably unwarranted shade at Steven. I also just didn’t like his movie.

    Why not blame Michael Haneke and Benh Zeitlin? The 2 surprise nominees that kicked Ben Affleck and Kathryn Bigelow out of Best Director.[/quote]

    I blame Russell. It’s more realistic. I don’t think the people voting for Affleck are the same that would feel so passionate for Haneke. And Bigelow probably shares a bigger overlap with Zeitlin, and some with Russell. Haneke’s nomination is driven by that small auteur driven section of the academy that pushes for stuff like David Lynch and Terrence Malick. probably no direct correlation between Haneke and those two.

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    Robopocalypse is coming (the movie not an actual robot apocalypse). Munich was a thriller of sorts. Out of all his big, baity history lesson movies only Saving Private Ryan, Schindler’s List and The Color Purple did much for me, and they could have been much better than they were. I kinda wish he would just give it up entirely.

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