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    I know I’m going to be seen as another “Dunst-stan” especially given that there’s another thread on here with her name on it with three other actresses, but I want to open this discussion to a conversation about actresses of a certain age. Dunst was a child star, wildly successful, probably still rich off Spiderman but she has time and time again given some of the most beautiful, layered performances of all time (think Interview with the Vampire, The Virgin Suicides, Marie Antoinette, The Cat’s Meow, All Good Things, Fargo and the her coup de grace, Melancholia, for which she should have won a damn Oscar). She’s been integral and fascinating in small supporting performances like Midnight Special and Hidden Figures (her scenes with Octavia Spencer are the best in the film and are probably why Spencer got a nomination–because both were so top-notch).

    And yet she gets constantly underrated. She has two amazing Oscar-type movies coming out (The Beguiled and Woodshock) and I still see posts everywhere predicting Emma Stone, JLaw and Brie Larson just because.

    Why? Did she just get too old? Can people not forgive her for Spiderman? Because they sure forgave JLaw for X-Men and Emma Stone for Spiderman! Or is she just in that middle ground of not-an-ingenue but not a formidable above-40s actress that makes people doubt her for no reason? It makes zero sense. I know she has a lot of fans, but I think Dunst is emblematic of a larger crop of actresses her age who have yet to get major recognition for fantastic work (for instance Christina Ricci, Rachel McAdams, Emily Blunt—all of whom, like Dunst, are considered brilliant actresses but somehow keep getting short shrift). The ones who got lucky—Amy Adams and Anne Hathaway jump to mind—keep getting nominations, and the ones who didn’t: well tough shit. Now it’s only time for JLaw, Stone and Larson.

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    kaziz
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    Interesting point about middle-aged actresses. I hadn’t thought about that. I always thought people just defaulted to actresses who had already been nominated or won and that made a self-fulfilling prophecy: critics picked up on it and then they got nominated again, and again, again. Dunst got very, very unlucky but I don’t think she’s underrated anymore. Big auteurs work with her, from Jeff Nichols to Yorgos Lanthimos to Noah Hawley to Von Trier. It’s the fault of pundits for not taking her work seriously even though she has more than paid her dues and turned in work far more superior to actresses who have been nominated and continue to (Kirsten Dunst in Melancholia would have been a better Best Leading Actress winner than Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings, Meryl Streep in The Iron Lady (sorry, I love Meryl, but not in that), Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side and countless others.

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    Andrew D
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    I wonder how many women won for or even got their first nominations while they were in their 30s … most tend to be the babies ( portman, lawerence ) or the elders ( riva, huppert ) ????

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    Honey
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    I wonder how many women won for or even got their first nominations while they were in their 30s … most tend to be the babies ( portman, lawerence ) or the elders ( riva, huppert ) ????

    Jennifer Connelly, Cate Blanchett, Jessica Chastain, Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, Julianne Moore, Rosamund Pike, Felicity Jones, Annette Benning, Michelle Pfieffer, Holly Hunter, Helen Hunt, and countless others.

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    Awards recognition for Dunst is coming. And certainly this year she can look forward to a nomination in either category.

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    Kiki is probably the best American actress over 30. She should have already been a double Oscar winner for Interview with the Vampire and Melancholia (tied with Olivia Colman).

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    kaziz
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    I wonder how many women won for or even got their first nominations while they were in their 30s … most tend to be the babies ( portman, lawerence ) or the elders ( riva, huppert ) ????

    Jennifer Connelly, Cate Blanchett, Jessica Chastain, Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, Julianne Moore, Rosamund Pike, Felicity Jones, Annette Benning, Michelle Pfieffer, Holly Hunter, Helen Hunt, and countless others.

    They’ll get nominated sure (even though getting into that list is hard enough). But out of that list, only Connelly, Kidman, Hunter and Hunt were in their 30s when they actually won. The rest haven’t won yet or won way later. For many of the actresses who won in their 30s, they had to have amassed many nominations already to even be in real contention (Kate Winslet, Nicole Kidman) i.e. they needed to be considered ‘overdue’.

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    I’m far from a fan of Kirsten Dunst, but I would have given her an Oscar for Melancholia. I still haven’t seen her in Fargo yet, but I can’t believe Lady Gaga gave a better performance. Heck, I can’t imagine Lady Gaga giving a better performance than Queen Latifah in Bessie, who I really enjoyed or maybe even loved in that role, but she was overshadowed by Monique for her small and actually underplayed role, who reminded me that she can be an excellent actress and is capable of stealing the spotlight.

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    lovelylovely
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    I still haven’t seen her in Fargo yet, but I can’t believe Lady Gaga gave a better performance. 

    The thing is, she didn’t. I wish I knew how the hell she even won the Globe, because her winning over Dunst as Peggy Blumquist was TRAGIC. Even a year after her win, I still have problems with wondering how HFPA thought she gave a better performance. All she did was walk around in high-quality costumes, give death glares, have sex, drink blood and cocktails. Literally any average actor could’ve done it.

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    Jake
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    Publicity win. They wanted Gaga on stage. It was Madonna winning over Frances McDormand again but much worse as Madge really worked hard in her role.

    I saw “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” recently again and I’m once again in awe of Dunst’s subplot with Tom Wilkinson and Mike Ruffalo and how all of them acted there. Great work there.

    2011 Best Actress had the potential to be the strongest in recent memory. As much as I like Williams, she was just ok in “…Marilyn”, passed as her very nicely but that’s it. Streep had her moments but “The Iron Lady” was nearly as bad and unwatchable as “The Blind Side”. It was great to see Glenn Close included again but the role was too subdued, I guess. Replace them with Dunst, Charlize Theron and Tilda Swinton and you’ll have line-up for the ages. Alas, it wasn’t to be.

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    2011 Best Actress had the potential to be the strongest in recent memory.

    Seriously. I’m constantly changing my lineup for this year because there were just too many great performances (and the best ones weren’t even recognized). My shortlist is something like:

    Juliette Binoche, Certified Copy*
    Olivia Colman, Tyrannosaur
    Kirsten Dunst, Melancholia*
    Yoon Jeong-hee, Poetry*
    Rooney Mara, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo*
    Elizabeth Olsen, Martha Marcy May Marlene
    Anna Paquin, Margaret*
    Tilda Swinton, We Need to Talk About Kevin
    Charlize Theron, Young Adult
    Michelle Williams, My Week with Marilyn

    Right now my nominees would be those marked (*) but that could change by tonight. Leaving Olsen and Swinton out hurts the most. SUCH a hard year with so much more potential. Sorry to get a little off topic here.. Point being Kirsten Dunst should have definitely been nominated because she’s so underrated!

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    2011 Best Actress had the potential to be the strongest in recent memory.

    Seriously. I’m constantly changing my lineup for this year because there were just too many great performances (and the best ones weren’t even recognized). My shortlist is something like:

    Juliette Binoche, Certified Copy*
    Olivia Colman, Tyrannosaur
    Kirsten Dunst, Melancholia*
    Yoon Jeong-hee, Poetry*
    Rooney Mara, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo*
    Elizabeth Olsen, Martha Marcy May Marlene
    Anna Paquin, Margaret*
    Tilda Swinton, We Need to Talk About Kevin
    Charlize Theron, Young Adult
    Michelle Williams, My Week with Marilyn

    Right now my nominees would be those marked (*) but that could change by tonight. Leaving Olsen and Swinton out hurts the most. SUCH a hard year with so much more potential. Sorry to get a little off topic here.. Point being Kirsten Dunst should have definitely been nominated because she’s so underrated!

    Put Cameron Diaz for Bad Teacher in there instead of Michelle Williams and you have my TOP1O. This could have been the most brilliant line-up ever but Academy fucked it up big time.

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    Tyler The Awesome Guy
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    I far from hate Kirsten Dunst. But I do not think she really had a massive opportunity for awards glory outside of Fargo.

    If you want someone criminally underrated, try Djimon Hounsou.

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    I far from hate Kirsten Dunst. But I do not think she really had a massive opportunity for awards glory outside of Fargo.

    If you want someone criminally underrated, try Djimon Hounsou.

    He has two nominations to make up for his snub.

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    She is underrated, she is as talented as any big film star yet she’s generally been regulated to supporting roles. She was so damn good in Fargo, and quite frankly she kills every role she plays and has a pretty good track record at picking scripts. I mean, jumanji anyone? I don’t even know why she gets hate for Spider man, the first two movies are great and she’s good in them. The third one was a mess but that’s not her fault.

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