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  • TomHardys
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    Not sure if we already have a thread dedicated to this movie and if we do I apologize in advance. I just find this movie to be soooooo intriguing despite its brilliance. It’s one of those movies that I love but find bizarre at the same time. I would love to hear your opinion on the movie, Cimino’s direction, the performances and the awards reception.

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    ETPhoneHome
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    I watched this with really high expectations and I got something completely different than those expectations. It was an incredible film that deserved its attention at the oscars. I think this might be one BP that most people actually agree with.

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    K-Hole
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    I have mixed feelings about the movie, which is probably the right reaction to it. It was criticized as racist upon its release. Pauline Kael wrote: “The Vietcong are treated in the standard inscrutable-evil
    Oriental style of the Japanese in the Second World War movies … The
    impression a viewer gets is that if we did some bad things there we did
    them ruthlessly but impersonally; the Vietcong were cruel and sadistic.”

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    Beau S.
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    One of the best Best Picture winners. Evokes so many different feelings.

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    TomHardys
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    The Russian Roulette scenes on Vietnam are so intense and riveting. Outstanding cinema.

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    marcelo
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    Very good movie but i prefer Coming Home.

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    babypook
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    This features what I believe is the best supporting performance by an actor that I have seen to date. It also stars the unheralded John Cazale in his final film.

    Cimino seems to be remembered for the perceived debacle which is Heaven’s Gate, a much better film when seen in it’s entirety. Deer Hunter,Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, The Year of the Dragon, and his writing Silent Running places him as one of my favorite directors.

    He’s a most shat upon director. I’d love to see him try another film.

     

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    K-Hole
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    This features what I believe is the best supporting performance by an actor that I have seen to date. It also stars the unheralded John Cazale in his final film.

    Cimino seems to be remembered for the perceived debacle which is Heaven’s Gate, a much better film when seen in it’s entirety. Deer Hunter,Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, The Year of the Dragon, and his writing Silent Running places him as one of my favorite directors.

    He’s a most shat upon director. I’d love to see him try another film.

     

    Let me guess–Christopher Walken? He is excellent, without question.

    I agree that this film is very powerful and packs an emotional wallop, although Robert De Niro playing an Eastern-European-American (?) comes across as tighter-lipped and less emotional than a member of the British WASP ruling class, and that is really saying something.

    And I understand that Cimino was using the war and the horrifying Russian roulette game as a metaphor, again a very powerful one, but the film’s depiction of the Vietnamese, who are real people, not metaphors, was horribly, horribly racist.

    I guess I can admire The Deer Hunter in the same way that I can admire The Birth of a Nation or Triumph of the Will.

    But, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot is a great movie, no question. I watched Silent Running again a few months ago and it make me cry, again. And I really need to watch Heaven’s Gate again soon.

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    I always thought John Savage was pretty riveting in the Roulette sequences. Funny thing is I remember him more than Walken. Streep always sounds a little dismisve of the film nowadays. It doesn’t seem to have been a great experience for her.

    The movie can be very slow paced at times. It is almost indulgent the way he lingers on common ordinary stuff like DeNiro opening the car door, closing the car door, walking to the woods. walking back. It is almost like the Pennsylvania scenes were filmed in real time.  

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    RobertPius
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    Jane Fonda infamously said in the press room when Deer Hunter beat Coming Home:  “The Deer Hunter” is the Pentagon’s version of the war.” (think Jane was kind of a sore loser/winner)

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    Hamilton Bacon
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    The cast was excellent, and i think Walken won because his performance was subtle, yet intense. (In real life, Walken is a mixture of Bill Clinton and James Spader.)

    I don’t know about Streep being dismissive of the film. Certainly she was affected by John Cazale’s health condition, which was worsening by the day, during the filming. They were the closest couple ever, so this would have been traumatizing for her.

    While the movie does take its time to unfold, it is nonetheless a fully gripping, fully engaging viewing experience. Slow movies tend to put me to sleep, but this story took me in and held my attention from start to finish. And i saw the movie in theatres twice. The first time, i didn’t even realize three hours had passed. (In fact, i was so involved that many scenes left me in tears, including those that showed the mundane lives back home of those who later had to undergo torture.)

    I missed Coming Home on the big screen, and movies on the small screen often do not grab me. I tried watching it once on TV and got distracted instead. So not having really seen Coming Home, i can’t compare the two movies.

     

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    To correct myself:  I guess what I meant was Streep is dissmisive of her role.  She always refers to her as “a woman who waits”  and kind of calls at a “girlfriend” role.  I forgot that Streep was with Cazale at the time which makes my comment seem sort of dumb. Yeah obviously she didn’t have a fun time on the film.

    I never saw the film in a theatre. I’m sure it would be much more harrowing there.  

    It’s odd to hear that Fonda offered Streep the Penelope Milford role in Coming Home but she had to turn it down to do Deer Hunter I guess.  

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    I really liked “The Deer Hunter” but preferred “Coming Home”.  “Coming Home” is one of my top five favourite movies of all time in fact.  The acting was perfect (very deserving winners in Jane Fonda and Jon Voight), the story was great, and I think it has the best use of music in any film ever (songs by The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Simon & Garfunkel are on the soundtrack).   I think it was heavily predicted that “The Deer Hunter” would handily win and that Best Actor was between DeNiro and Voight……..I remember reading that many thought Ingrid Bergman could win Best Actress for “Autumn Sonata” over Fonda.  Christopher Walken was a shoo-in…no way he was going to lose!

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    [quote=”babypook”]

    This features what I believe is the best supporting performance by an actor that I have seen to date. It also stars the unheralded John Cazale in his final film.

    Cimino seems to be remembered for the perceived debacle which is Heaven’s Gate, a much better film when seen in it’s entirety. Deer Hunter,Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, The Year of the Dragon, and his writing Silent Running places him as one of my favorite directors.

    He’s a most shat upon director. I’d love to see him try another film.

     

    Let me guess–Christopher Walken? He is excellent, without question.

    I agree that this film is very powerful and packs an emotional wallop, although Robert De Niro playing an Eastern-European-American (?) comes across as tighter-lipped and less emotional than a member of the British WASP ruling class, and that is really saying something.

    And I understand that Cimino was using the war and the horrifying Russian roulette game as a metaphor, again a very powerful one, but the film’s depiction of the Vietnamese, who are real people, not metaphors, was horribly, horribly racist.

    I guess I can admire The Deer Hunter in the same way that I can admire The Birth of a Nation or Triumph of the Will.

    But, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot is a great movie, no question. I watched Silent Running again a few months ago and it make me cry, again. And I really need to watch Heaven’s Gate again soon.[/quote]

    O c’mon Ex. There are ass holes in every nation, including Ca-na-da. Atrocities occur during wars. How would you have shot these scenes? Perhaps, at least a few of them vomiting from their cruelty? Will the average, albeit dumbed-down audience see all Vietnamese people in this light? Do all American Vets react the way Walken and DeNiro do here?

    I dont think so. Gulp.

    But, it’s not as if I dont see where you’re coming from. I just dont see it as racist.

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    O c’mon Ex. There are ass holes in every nation, including Ca-na-da. Atrocities occur during wars. How would you have shot these scenes? Perhaps, at least a few of them vomiting from their cruelty? Will the average, albeit dumbed-down audience see all Vietnamese people in this light? Do all American Vets react the way Walken and DeNiro do here?

    I dont think so. Gulp.

    But, it’s not as if I dont see where you’re coming from. I just dont see it as racist.

    Filmmakers are still making racist movies about the “enemy” today, but instead of the totally forgotten Vietnamese, it’s now Muslims. You don’t think filmmakers cater (perhaps inadvertently) to an audience’s racism? I sure do.

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