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  • Kevin Dillon
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    #150047

    Early reviews have been great, and they are right on the money, this is a great film possibly one of Marvel’s best, easilty the best of Phase Two.

    My review 

    http://eternalthoughtsofkevinsmind.blogspot.com/2014/04/captain-america-winter-soldier-is.html 

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER

    I saw this without seeing the first “Captain America” movie; I haven’t committed to the whole Marvel films canon, just pick and choose those that interest me. I might go back and watch that one now that I’ve seen this, because this is probably my favorite of the Marvel franchise films alongside “The Avengers” and the first “Iron Man.” That’s actually kind of faint praise, though, because I haven’t truly loved any of them; that puts this one at around a solid “B.”

    It’s somewhat overlong, and some of the plot amounts to the usual MacGuffins and phlebotinum: “To save the world you must go over there and plug this doohickey in the whatsit. It works by [techno/mystical mumbo jumbo] that precipitates a prolonged action set piece.” Also, the villain’s motivation is such a cliche at this point that I’m pretty sure I just saw the same thing in “RoboCop.”

    But I appreciated some of the small things. First, this is a much better movie for women than most in this genre, especially the very sexist “Iron Man 3.” Granted, Scarlett Johansson is still the only major female character, and I’m pretty sure the movie fails the Bechdel Test, but there are also roles for Cobie Smulders and Emily VanCamp, who have less screentime but get to be active participants in the plot instead of damsels or objects to be moved around as the story requires.

    There’s also Robert Redford. He elevates his material; I actually liked him better in this than in “All is Lost,” where he seemed like more a passive passenger of JC Chandor’s direction.

    Also, I enjoyed Anthony Mackie’s character. I think that’s what it comes down to at the end of the day. Since these big Marvel contraptions are so similar their quality comes down to the strength of the characters in them. On that level this one works well.

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    Cheshire
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    CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER

    I saw this without seeing the first “Captain America” movie; I haven’t committed to the whole Marvel films canon, just pick and choose those that interest me. I might go back and watch that one now that I’ve seen this, because this is probably my favorite of the Marvel franchise films alongside “The Avengers” and the first “Iron Man.” That’s actually kind of faint praise, though, because I haven’t truly loved any of them; that puts this one at around a solid “B.”

    It’s somewhat overlong, and some of the plot amounts to the usual MacGuffins and phlebotinum: “To save the world you must go over there and plug this doohickey in the whatsit. It works by [techno/mystical mumbo jumbo] that precipitates a prolonged action set piece.” Also, the villain’s motivation is such a cliche at this point that I’m pretty sure I just saw the same thing in “RoboCop.”

    But I appreciated some of the small things. First, this is a much better movie for women than most in this genre, especially the very sexist “Iron Man 3.” Granted, Scarlett Johansson is still the only major female character, and I’m pretty sure the movie fails the Bechdel Test, but there are also roles for Cobie Smulders and Emily VanCamp, who have less screentime but get to be active participants in the plot instead of damsels or objects to be moved around as the story requires.

    There’s also Robert Redford. He elevates his material; I actually liked him better in this than in “All is Lost,” where he seemed like more a passive passenger of JC Chandor’s direction.

    Also, I enjoyed Anthony Mackie’s character. I think that’s what it comes down to at the end of the day. Since these big Marvel contraptions are so similar their quality comes down to the strength of the characters in them. On that level this one works well.

    I’m curious too know what you found sexist about Iron Man 3 because out of all the complaints I heard about Iron Man 3 (I didn’t like this film myself) this is the first time I heard that one. Also good review. 

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    Thanks, Espeon.

    I went back and found my review of “Iron Man 3,” so I’ll just quote the relevant portion:

    There are two major female roles. The first, Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow), more or less runs Stark Industries and manages Tony Stark’s (Robert Downey Jr.) dysfunctional life, but before long she is damseled by the screenplay – that is to say, she is kidnapped and rendered helpless so that male characters can fight over her. Pepper gets two moments of heroism, but both are the result of technology or augmentation inflicted on her by male characters.

    The other is worse: Maya Hansen (Rebecca Hall) is a brilliant scientist developing a method for hacking the genes of living organisms, but the character and her decisions are mostly driven by the fact that she had a one-night-stand with Tony back in 1999; more than a decade later, her greatest defining characteristic is that Tony never called her again.

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    Watched this today, pretty entertaining, on top with The Avengers, amazing action movie, can’t wait to see Elizabeth Olsen on the upcoming Avengers movie.

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    ^I second that, the end credits actually got me excited for the new Avengers movie, even though I wasn’t fan of the first group effort.

    I also second the comment about this movie being a lot more female-positive than Iron Man 3. Or probably any other Marvel movie of the Avenger universe. Scarlett Johansson really is a legitimate co-lead here, and while Cobie Smulders and Emily VanCamp might have smaller parts, their characters still have impact and agency, and treated with respect by the script.

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