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  • Dan Man
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    After following the Academy Awards closely this year, and seeing as many of the films in contention as possible, I finally realized how bulls*** the whole thing is. It is all just business, not quality. Most years the best film isn’t even nominated. This year The Master was by far one of the best films of the year, yet Les Miserables (which was incompetently made and a huge disappointment) got a nomination because it built up a lot of hype and was the “right type of movie” for the Academy. Spielberg made a cliched and unexciting movie about an important American historical figure, and he gets nominated for best director when he really did nothing special and got nominated over Kathryn Bigelow because her movie was too controversial (which is totally ridiculous).

    This year either Zero Dark Thirty, Amour or Beasts of the Southern Wild should win best picture. Instead it will go to the “nice” movie Lincoln or Silver Linings Playbook. Even Argo (which I thought was really good) is a much better choice.

    The Academy has a certain set of rules for what has to win. It has to be a drama, or epic, or romance. 99% of the time it is a crowd pleaser and occasionally through in one that isn’t (The Hurt Locker, and… The Hurt Locker). It has to be a “nice” movie (The King’s Speech over The Social Network?!?!?! or Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction and The Shawshank Redemption). These rules are insane.

    Looking at lists as to what the best movie ever made is, most of these movies didn’t win best picture (Vertigo, Citizen Kane,  Akira Kurosawa movies, David Lynch movies, Tokyo Story).

    If you really love movies then you will acknowledge how subjective the Oscars are and how it is absolutely no way to measure the quality of movies.

    However it is fun trying to pick what will win and what will be nominated. And this year it was good to see movies like Beasts of the Southern Wild and Amour nominated. 

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    black30
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    For you this is a revelation. I know the most useless category at the Academy Awards is Best Picture because the nominees, let alone the winner is anything close to the best film that year or the movie that will play well with time. 

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    Dan Man
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    You just notice it more when you follow them closely.

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    babypook
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    It’s painful isnt it. Such memories. Like finding out people eat Bambi and Thumper.

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    ladyhathor
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    It is sad when you realize it.  I am sure we’ve all been there.

    On the rare occasions when my favorite film of the year is nominated for Best Picture it is so thrilling!  I mean, even restricting it to English language films, if my favorite one is merely nominated, I feel happy.  And I never expect my favorite to win.  Even if my favorite overall film isn’t nominated, I still don’t expect my favorite of the nominees to win.

    I’ve now reached the point where I just hope the winner is a film I like.  Last year was such a downer year for me since I felt so “meh” about most of the nominees.  I like this year’s group of nominees a lot more.  At least the 5 of them I have seen so far.  So far, I am enjoying awards season a lot more than I did last year.

     

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    Dan Man
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    You just notice it more when you follow them closely.

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    Dan Man
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    By the usual standards though this years films were actually really good except for the dreadful Les Miserables. I was so happy when The Hurt Locker won though. When so much crap wins then finally something different wins it is so good.

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    Renaton
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    It is sad when you realize it.  I am sure we’ve all been there.

    On the rare occasions when my favorite film of the year is nominated for Best Picture it is so thrilling!  I mean, even restricting it to English language films, if my favorite one is merely nominated, I feel happy.  And I never expect my favorite to win.  Even if my favorite overall film isn’t nominated, I still don’t expect my favorite of the nominees to win.

    I’ve now reached the point where I just hope the winner is a film I like.  Last year was such a downer year for me since I felt so “meh” about most of the nominees.  I like this year’s group of nominees a lot more.  At least the 5 of them I have seen so far.  So far, I am enjoying awards season a lot more than I did last year.

     

    I agree with all of this. The winner being something I at least enjoy, it’s cool. Anything less that can make it grating, but still nothing to really get pissed about after the first few days after the Oscar.   

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    BrokenFan
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    That’s the way it is, but enjoyment of movies are very subjective, meaning I may like something that you dislike and vice versa. For instance, I believe Silver Linings Playbook is one of the best movies of the year. It was a great film with a great cast and a wonderful story. It didn’t have to be an edgy, out of body, festival winning (even thought it did win a couple) experience for me to enjoy it and most, if not all, movies aren’t. (Surprise!)  At the same time, I liked The Master, Zero Dark Thirty, Argo, and all the other “acclaimed” films because they brought something new to the table and were very well made. I hate it when people analyze the shit out a film to seemingly exude a sliver of “intelligence” on a message board (ahem), but it sucks the joy out of watching movies. That’s not what movie watching is about, at least for me. 

    It’s nice that this year a slew of very good films are being recognized for their fantastic work, which I think is a reflection of a strong year for film. I honestly would not mind if any of the nominated films won Best Picture because they’re all very good. Fortunately, winning an Oscar isn’t everything. So you can go home and rest easy.  

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    babypook
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    That’s the way it is, but enjoyment of movies are very subjective, meaning I may like something that you dislike and vice versa. For instance, I believe Silver Linings Playbook is one of the best movies of the year. It was a great film with a great cast and a wonderful story. It didn’t have to be an edgy, out of body, festival winning (even thought it did win a couple) experience for me to enjoy it and most, if not all, movies aren’t. (Surprise!)  At the same time, I liked The Master, Zero Dark Thirty, Argo, and all the other “acclaimed” films because they brought something new to the table and were very well made. I hate it when people analyze the shit out a film to seemingly exude a sliver of “intelligence” on a message board (ahem), but it sucks the joy out of watching movies. That’s not what movie watching is about, at least for me. 

    It’s nice that this year a slew of very good films are being recognized for their fantastic work, which I think is a reflection of a strong year for film. I honestly would not mind if any of the nominated films won Best Picture because they’re all very good. Fortunately, winning an Oscar isn’t everything. So you can go home and rest easy.  

    It’s entirely subjective. 100%. This is why I find it hilarious when some say, it’s OBVIOUS this film or that perf was “the best”, trying to justify it with numbers, wins, statistics of all kinds. They’re interesting, but they are opinions.

    For example, the constant trashing of Les Mis in this thread. For me, the gratitude I feel towards Hooper for winning that year has not diminished. The fact that the subject matter is in line with my other obsession, was just a bonus.
    I enjoyed Les Mis irrespective of any personal feelings I have towards the director. And I was glad, when Jackwon won the Globe.

    The BP lineup this year is full of films I acknowledge as well crafted. But, I dont feel any passion for them. And, getting back to subjectivity, it also has four films that I’d have to be drunk and tied to a chair before I’d watch them.

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    the spotless mind
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    After so many years of following these things, I’ve become sort of numb to it. You have to take the good and the bad when it comes to the Academy Awards. Sometimes really great films like The Departed and No Country for Old Men win, sometimes good, but bland stuff like The Artist and King’s Speech win. It’s a mixed bag, and the trick is not minding, as the saying goes. They’re fun, occasionally entertaining, often predictable, but still, basically, like a Super Bowl for film buffs. Your favorite teams don’t always play in the big game, heck sometimes you flatout hate the teams, but you still watch. Just know that it’s all for fun, and that none of it really matters in the grand scheme of things (because in the end, it’s like Apple Jacks, we like what we like), and you’ll survive. They can be incredibly frustrating (Extremely Loud, Blind Side), but they can also be incredibly rewarding (District 9, Amour, etc.). 

    For my money, the best prizes one can win are the Palme D’Or and the National Society of Film Critics award for Best Picture. Oscar is great, prestigious in its own right, but it’s all arbitrary in the end. Relax and enjoy the ride.  

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    allabout oscars
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    I Have years where I hitch my star to a film
    that i personally feel is best picture and in
    the end, it winds up losing…and its most  years.
    My favorite films of all time are not best picture
    oscar winners..so i shrug my shoulders and move
    on…it is easy to become very passionate and caught
    up in the oscars season and ultimately the selection.
    I have been stunned and disappointed when films
    like THE GRADUATE, REDS, E.T, GOODFELLAS
    FARGO, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, THE HOURS,
    THE SOCIAL NETWORK, THERE WILL BE BLOOD
    all lost the oscar..Imagine when a film you love
    isnt even nominated… that is always hard to believe.
    But this year, being a fine year in film with many
    terrific choices…I find myself in very deep with
    my personal feelings about LINCOLN as a film,
    an entertainment, a piece of history and just a towering
    achievement…so I think it will win but  what do i know?
    The academy usually chooses this type of film but lately
    with the membership of the current academy, all bets
    might be off and they might go with what would be
    a sympathy vote for ARGO…life will go on and so will
    next years oscars…and ill always be a fan of them!!!

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