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  • ereyethirn
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    So here I was hoping I could get people discussing the VFX race in the context of the bake off that was held just this week. This is pretty important for nominations because every year there are a few “surprises” that occur because of the bake off (for example last year the Kubo presentation was apparently really impressive). There is an interesting article on this year’s bake off on next best picture .com but other than that nobody has really been mentioning it anywhere. Has anything heard anything? If not I recommend grabbing that article. What do you think?

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    Teridax
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    Here’s a great article discussing the bake-off and each of the individual presentations, as well as the audience’s reaction to them: https://www.nextbestpicture.com/latest/takeaways-from-the-2018-visual-effects-bake-off

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    SamEckmann
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    I had been looking for Kris Tapleys article on the bake-off over the past few days and could only find the one linked above. Bizarrely, Tapley has been the only person I’ve found who has consistently covered the bake-off event (which I’ve always been thankful for since it helps me predict upsets…like getting 100/1 odds on Deepwater Horizon last year!)

    solely based on the reactions and takeaways presented in Wills article linked above: War of the Planet of the Apes and Blade Runner 2049 are the clear front runners. Dunkirk is much safer than many have thought. Which likely leaves Last Jedi, Shape of Water, and Okja fighting over the last 2 slots. With perhaps Valerian as a dark horse.

    I’m thinking Okja bumps one of the front runners I just haven’t figured out who.

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    AnDres Gtz
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    Will Mavity from Next Best Picture tweets:

    All of Dunkirk’s underwater scenes were practical. No CGI work.

    Almost no questions from the audience for The Shape of Water team. Not sure what to make of that.

    Alien Covenant got a lot of gasps and nervous laughter during its gruesome bits. Impressive reel overall but only tame applause after

    The narrative for the Guardians team is good lord, there was a LOT of CGI. 98% of the shots used CGI

    Toby Kebbel repeatedly had to stuff his mouth full of twizzlers as reference for Kong eating shots

    The Apes team created an entire new software to create forests with each individual tree having its own characteristics and years of aging detailed

    That Valerian reel was a bit of a mess. Impressive CGI (and lots of it) but gives no clue as to what the film is about. Audio transitions were particularly clunky at times and then the reel ends super abruptly

    Lots of emphasis on how the team completely redesigned Snoke for the new Star Wars

    Weird, the Blade Runner reel basically didn’t include the climax at all. Almost none of the vegas fight or ocean fight

    Some takeaways from the crowd afterwards: one guy thinks Okja could even win the whole thing “because it’s got heart.” At least two said “the last Jedi brought nothing new to the table.” One guy said “Okja was kind of weird but I liked that one with the fish

    Overheard a LOT of people talking about Blade Runner afterwards. And several singled out Kong.

    He retweeted this two from another person who was on the crowd:

    Blade Runner came in stronger than I expected. And I think okja beats shape of water but it still might not make the cut. Strong year.

    I think the practical fx make Dunkirk the other lock besides Apes. The voters like to see a mix. Also Dunkirk is the only “reality” flick in the running. Also it’s classy and arty and the Academy rewards those whenever it can

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    Reading about the last year bake-off, expected nominees like Arrival and Fantastic Beasts reels had mixed receptions, while Deepwater Horizon and Kubo and the Two Strings reels were very well received. So it obviously had a BIG impact in the nominees.

    If War for the Planet of the Apes, Blade Runner 2049 and Dunkirk (which now seems stronger than expected) reels had the better results, so they really are the safest choices. Star Wars: The Last Jedi reel had almost the same reception of the Rogue One reel, so I think it’s also safe. The Shape of Water looks a little bit weak now (as I was expecting), but I don’t know if Okja can be nominated.

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    Reading about the last year bake-off, expected nominees like Arrival and Fantastic Beasts reels had mixed receptions, while Deepwater Horizon and Kubo and the Two Strings reels were very well received. So it obviously had a BIG impact in the nominees.

    If War for the Planet of the Apes, Blade Runner 2049 and Dunkirk (which now seems stronger than expected) reels had the better results, so they really are the safest choices. Star Wars: The Last Jedi reel had almost the same reception of the Rogue One reel, so I think it’s also safe. The Shape of Water looks a little bit weak now (as I was expecting), but I don’t know if Okja can be nominated.

    Dunkirk didn’t have the best presentation though.

    “Other relevant factors to consider: Jackson’s delivery was perhaps too understated and a bit dry. He didn’t make much of an effort to play up the difficulty of the film’s achievements. “How much compositing did you guys do?” “Oh not much…we just used two plates.” Unlike the beautifully made film, the reel itself consisted of clips smashed together with no attempt made to create smooth transitions. There were also jarring gaps between music.”

    The only locks in this category are Blade Runner 2049 and War for the Planet of the Apes. I still think Guardians could get in, even though its Bafta snub for Visual Effects is notable because the first one got in, Okja seems safe because of the special effects bringing the creature to believable life provided the emotional backbone of the movie. I just took out The Last Jedi for The Shape of Water yesterday, but thinking more about the Bafta snub of Guardians 2 makes me want to take that out for the Disney Wars movie.

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    Tyler The Awesome Guy
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    I seriously think that Valerian could make it in.

    Also Dunkirk is without a doubt going to get nominated IMO.

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    I’ve been thinking Okja makes it since word from Cannes made it clear that it’d be candy to people who work in VFX. I think Dunkirk and Shape of Water have enough support as BP nominees, where as Star Wars installments always goes down in nominations in the second film* and The Last Jedi was generally less popular.

    *Empire Strikes Back got 3 nominations (+ a special achievement award) compared to Star Wars’s 10 nominations (+ a special achievement award), Attack of the Clones got 1 nomination when Phantom Menace had 3 nominations. I’m currently predicting Sound Editing and Score for The Last Jedi.

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    AnDres Gtz
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    This might be a year Star Wars looses VFX and to be honest, a snub here would be deserving

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