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    I was curious to see if there were any patterns when actors get nominated for Supporting Actor at the Oscars without the help of any SAG or Golden Globe nominations.  Here’s what I found: 

    In 1994, Paul Scofield (age 72) was nominated for his role in Quiz Show without any SAG or Golden Globe nominations.  Scofield was nominated at BAFTA, DFWFCA, NSFC, and NYFCC.  Scofield’s Quiz Show costar, John Turturro (age 37), was nominated at the Golden Globes and SAG for Supporting Actor, but was snubbed at the Oscars.  Quiz Show was nominated for Best Picture Drama at the Golden Globes, and Best Picture at the Oscars.  This was Scofield’s 2nd career nomination. He had previously been nominated for and won for Lead Actor in 1966 for A Man for All Seasons.

    In 1995, James Cromwell (age 55) was nominated for his role in Babe without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination. Cromwell was nominated at Chlotrudis.  None of his costars received any Oscar traction, but Babe did win Best Picture Musical/Comedy at the Golden Globes, and was nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars.  This was Cromwell’s 1st career nomination.

    In 1996, Armin Mueller-Stahl (age 66) was nominated for his role in Shine without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination.  Mueller-Stahl was nominated LAFCA, and won at the Australian Film Institute, SDFCS, and Satellite awards.  Mueller-Stahl’s Shine costar Noah Taylor (age 27) was nominated for Supporting Actor at the SAG awards, but was snubbed at the Oscars. Fellow costar Geoffrey Rush (age 45) won in the lead actor category at the Golden Globes, SAG, and the Oscars.  Shine was also nominated for the SAG ensemble award, and Best Picture Drama at the Golden Globes.  This was Mueller-Stahl’s 1st career nomination.

    In 1997, Robert Forster (age 56) was nominated for his role in Jackie Brown without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination. Forster was nominated at the CFCA and the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror, and won at KCFCC. Forster’s Jackie Brown costar Pam Grier (age 48) was nominated for Lead Actress at the Golden Globes and SAG, but was snubbed at the Oscars.  Fellow costar Samuel L. Jackson (age 49) was nominated for Lead Actor at the Golden Globes, but was snubbed at the Oscars.  This was Forster’s 1st career nomination.

    In 2003, Djimon Hounsou (age 39) was nominated for his role in In America without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination.  Hounsou was nominated at the Image Awards, and won at Black Reel, the Independent Spirit, SDFCS, and Satellite awards.  Hounsou’s In America costar Samantha Morton (age 26) was also nominated for an Oscar without individual SAG or Golden Globe nominations.  In America was nominated for the SAG ensemble award, and received a Screenplay nomination at the Globes.  This was Hounsou’s 1st career nomination.

    In 2004, Alan Alda (age 68) was nominated for his role in The Aviator without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination.  Alda was nominated at BAFTA.  Alda’s The Aviator costar Cate Blanchett (age 35) was nominated for Supporting Actress at the Golden Globes, and won at SAG and the Oscars.  Fellow costar Leonardo DiCaprio (age 30) won at the Golden Globes, and was nominated at SAG and the Oscars.  The Aviator was nominated for SAG ensemble, and won Best Picture Drama at the Golden Globes.  This was Alda’s 1st career nomination.

    In 2005, William Hurt (age 55) was nominated for his role in A History of Violence without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination. Hurt was nominated at OFCS and the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror, and won at the Austin Film Critics, LAFCA, and NYFCC.  Hurt’s A History of Violence costar Maria Bello (age 38) was nominated at the Golden Globes, and snubbed at the Oscars.  A History of Violence was nominated for Best Picture Drama at the Golden Globes. This was Hurt’s 4th career nomination. He had previously won lead actor in 1985 for Kiss of the Spider Woman.

    In 2008, Michael Shannon (age 34) was nominated for his role in Revolutionary Road without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination. Shannon was nominated at CFCA, Chlotrudis, OFCS, Santa Barbara Int’l Film Festival, and won at Satellite.  Shannon’s Revolutionary Road costar Kate Winslet (age 33) was nominated for a SAG award, won the Golden Globe, and was snubbed at the Oscars for her role in this film.  Fellow costar Leonardo DiCaprio (age 34) was nominated at the Golden Globes, but snubbed at the Oscars.  Revolutionary Road was nominated for Best Picture Drama at the Golden Globes.  This was Shannon’s 1st career nomination.

    In 2011, Max von Sydow (age 82) was nominated for his role in Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close without a SAG or Golden Globe nomination.  He was nominated at BSFC, DFWFCA, and SDFCS. None of his costars received any Oscar traction, but Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close was nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars.  This was von Sydow’s 2nd career nomination.

    A few common occurances I noticed in the 9 instances where non-SAG or Globe nominated performances snuck into the Oscar’s Best Supporting Actor race:

    9 times (100%), the surprise nominee was nominated at a different awards group for their role.

    8 times (89%) the surprise nominee had either never been nominated before, or had only been nominated once before.

    7 times (78%) the surprise nominee had never won an Oscar before.

    7 times (78%) the surprise nominee was 55 years of age or older.

    7 times (78%), the surprise nominee was in a film that was nominated for Best Picture at the Golden Globes or the SAG’s ensemble prize.

    6 times (67%), the surprise nominee’s costar from the same film was nominated for a SAG or Golden Globe instead. In every one of these occurances, the costar was younger than the surprise nominee. In 5 of these 6 occurances, the costar was snubbed at the Oscars in favour of the surprise nominee.  4 of the 6 times, two of the surprise nominee’s costars were nominated at the Golden Globes for the same film.

    2 times (22%), the surprise nominee was in a film co-starring Leonardo DiCaprio. (EDIT: I had previously said this happened 3 times, when it has in fact only happened twice).

    Who this benefits most:

    Samuel L. Jackson (age 64) for his role in Django Unchained.  Jackson has so far been nominated for an Image Award for the role (and possibly more to come).  Jackson’s Django costars, Leonardo DiCaprio (age 38) and Christoph Waltz (age 56) are both nominated at the Golden Globes.  Django is nominated for Best Picture Drama at the Golden Globes.  Jackson has only been nominated for 1 Oscar so far, and has never won.

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    Tye-Grr
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    Sam Jackson’s in. LOL!

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    Max 2.0
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    “3 times (33%), the surprise nominee was in a film co-starring Leonardo DiCaprio”

    So, is this good news for Eddie or is it just showing that he has no shot in hell to a surprise nom?

    ETA: Sam is 64?!?! 

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    Tye-Grr
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    I think if Jackson gets in, then this would have to happen- Leo is yet again snubbed, and Jackson takes his place, or Waltz ends up in Lead, and Sam takes his slot. I can see the nominees ending up something like this: Waltz, DeNiro, Jackson, Jones, Hoffman (no Arkin).

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    Daniel B.
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    ”3 times (33%), the surprise nominee was in a film co-starring Leonardo DiCaprio”

    I threw that one in not as a deterrant for any of the actors that aren’t in DiCaprio films this year, but just found it surprising how often it happened (either for some reason, or purely coincidence) to Leo’s co-stars.

    My guess is that if there is any specific reason this happens, it’s because of the large amount of campaigning on DiCaprio’s team, resulting in a lot of people seeing films like The Aviator or Revolutionary Road, and the exposure benefiting Alan Alda and Michael Shannon.

    Also, I just realized that I counted the DiCaprio figure wrong. It should only be 2 times (22%).

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    Daniel B.
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    I think if Jackson gets in, then this would have to happen- Leo is yet again snubbed, and Jackson takes his place, or Waltz ends up in Lead, and Sam takes his slot. I can see the nominees ending up something like this: Waltz, DeNiro, Jackson, Jones, Hoffman (no Arkin).

    Part of me wonders if Alan Arkin’s SAG and Globe nominations are for overdue love they didn’t give him for Little Miss Sunshine. Both awards groups gave Eddie Murphy the prize for Dreamgirls (and the Globes didn’t even nominate Arkin!), while Oscar chose to award Arkin over Murphy.  The Oscars certainly wouldn’t feel obliged to recognize Arkin again, since they did it when most others didn’t.

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    [quote=”Tye-Grr”]I think if Jackson gets in, then this would have to happen- Leo is yet again snubbed, and Jackson takes his place, or Waltz ends up in Lead, and Sam takes his slot. I can see the nominees ending up something like this: Waltz, DeNiro, Jackson, Jones, Hoffman (no Arkin).

    Part of me wonders if Alan Arkin’s SAG and Globe nominations are for overdue love they didn’t give him for Little Miss Sunshine. Both awards groups gave Eddie Murphy the prize for Dreamgirls (and the Globes didn’t even nominate Arkin!), while Oscar chose to award Arkin over Murphy.  The Oscars certainly wouldn’t feel obliged to recognize Arkin again, since they did it when most others didn’t.[/quote]
    I think you hit the nail on the head with that post.  

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    I love this Samuel L. Jackson buzz because since the last Oscars, I’ve been predicting that he would be nominated. When he was getting no buzz, I was disappointed

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    Holy crap, Daniel. Where do you find the time to do all this err…research? I’m impressed. 

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    Well, another wiped out post, so here we go again.

    I still dont know what to make of Samuel’s perf. He didnt break character, even once. And he never appeared embarassed by what he was doing. But, I was (embarassed). I rationalized, tried to talk myself out of it, realized that characters like his existed if not for any other reason but survival. But here is a life-long subservient who is not so subservient. But then, here I am still scratching my head.

    And Arkin, whose career seems to have started for the majority here with Edmund Hoover, is in. As I’ve said, he and Goodman made Argo worth watching for me. Sorry if y’all are disappointed.

    But Jackson? I’m guessing, no way.

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    Besides SLJ, who else could benefit from that trend this year?

    And wouldn’t it be cool if one of these surprise nominees actually one sometime? AMPAS voters claim they don’t care about precursors but yet they rubber stamp the same winners over and over. I wanna see a left field nominee who actually goes all the way.

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    As I’ve said, he and Goodman made Argo worth watching for me. Sorry if y’all are disappointed.

    You’d think Goodman would benefit from this trend. But his characters in Argo and Flight (and last year’s The Artist) just don’t have strong arcs. When will this man get a great part that will get him an Oscar nod?

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    I hope the Academy shakes things up for Supporting Actor.  The majority of the performances being prasied as the best for 2012 are lukewarm. 

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    babypook
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    ^
    That wont happen for me fish. You sure know how to hurt a gal…….

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    [quote=”Daniel”][quote=”Tye-Grr”]I think if Jackson gets in, then this would have to happen- Leo is yet again snubbed, and Jackson takes his place, or Waltz ends up in Lead, and Sam takes his slot. I can see the nominees ending up something like this: Waltz, DeNiro, Jackson, Jones, Hoffman (no Arkin).

    Part of me wonders if Alan Arkin’s SAG and Globe nominations are for overdue love they didn’t give him for Little Miss Sunshine. Both awards groups gave Eddie Murphy the prize for Dreamgirls (and the Globes didn’t even nominate Arkin!), while Oscar chose to award Arkin over Murphy.  The Oscars certainly wouldn’t feel obliged to recognize Arkin again, since they did it when most others didn’t.[/quote]
    I think you hit the nail on the head with that post.  [/quote]

    I sure hope so. I liked Arkin in ‘Argo’, but he did not a single thing that was Oscar worthy. I was very happy when he received his nomination for ‘LMS’, and although I myself was disappointed that Murphy lost, I was still happy for Arkin as I loved him in that film. But for ‘Argo’? Nah. I’d honestly prefer Goodman over Arkin, if for nothing else than his equally entertaining work in ‘Flight’.  

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