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  • nkb325
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    #129569

    I’m sure there has been a thread on this at some point but I was wondering who would the winners be if there was no actor or actress, just Best Performance in a Leading Role and Best Performance in a Supporting Role. It will probably be pretty easy to guess as there usually seems to be one in each of these that’s a clear frontrunner, but here are my guesses:

    2000:
    Julia Roberts in Erin Brockovich
    Benicio Del Toro in Traffic

    2001:
    Halle Berry in Monster’s Ball
    Jennifer Connelly in a Beautiful Mind

    2002:
    Nicole Kidman in The Hours
    Catherine Zeta-Jones in Chicago

    2003:
    Charlize Theron in Monster
    Tim Robbins in Mystic River

    2004:
    Jamie Foxx in Ray
    Morgan Freeman in Million Dollar Baby

    2005:
    Phillip Seymor Hoffman in Capote
    George Clooney in Syriana

    2006:
    Helen Mirren in The Queen
    Jennifer Hudson in Dreamgirls

    2007:
    Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood
    Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men

    2008:
    Kate Winslet in The Reader (?????IDK)
    Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight

    2009:
    Jeff Bridges in Crazy Heart
    Christoph Waltz in Inglourius Basterds

    2010:
    Colin Firth in The King’s Speech
    Christian Bale in The Fighter

    2011:
    Meryl Streep in The Iron Lady
    Christopher Plummer in Beginners

    2012:
    Daniel Day-Lewis in Lincoln
    Anne Hathaway in Les Miserables

    I actually have 11 out of the 26 winners as women which is about what I was expecting and the 2000-03 all have women winning in lead (which unfortunately probably wouldn’t have happened). I mainly just looked at each year individually because I know loosing an eariler year would add to being overdue a later year and all that, but what do you guys think, agree disagree? And if anyone wants to venture some of the nominees i’d be very impressed haha 

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    Renaton
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    #129571

    I don’t have problems with separation of gender. Not only because the film world still downplays the role women play in it, but because I genuinely feel it’s interesting to have both actor and actress winners. That said, I have always said that if it were up to me, there would be no supporting and lead categories, just Male and Female Performance with both placements combined, with 10 nominee s each, so all the talk of category fraud would be given a rest.

    As for yours, my guess is:

    2000: Russell Crowe/Benicio Del Toro
    2001: Denzel Washington/Jennifer Connelly
    2002: Adrien Brody/Catherine Zeta Jones
    2003: Charlize Theron/Tim Robbins
    2004: Jamie Foxx/Morgan Freeman
    2005: Phillip Seymour Hoffman/Rachel Weisz
    2006: Helen Mirren/Jennifer Hudson
    2007: Daniel Day-Lewis/Javier Bardem
    2008: Kate Winstlet/Heath Ledger
    2009: Sandra Bullock/Christoph Waltz
    2010: Colin Firth/Christian Bale
    2011: Jean Dujardin/Octavia Spencer
    2012: Daniel Day Lewis/Anne Hathaway 

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    Gabriel
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    I really like the idea of not separating by gender, but I can see why people would be against it . For example, if, over the course of say 10 years, only three women won the lead oscar, people would be quick to cry “sexist!”. So it makes sense that they give both a chance at winning by separating them.

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    nkb325
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    #129573

    Yea I’m not trying to argue one way or the other. While logically there probably shouldn’t be seperations by gender, I agree it’s a lot more fun that there is and it helps get more performances recognized. So honestly I don’t know for sure what I think haha

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    benbraddock
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    #129574

    2012- DANIEL DAY LEWIS AND ANNE HATHAWAY
    2011- MERYL STREEP AND CHRISTOPHER PLUMMER
    2010- COLIN FIRTH AND CHRISTIAN BALE
    2009- JEFF BRIDGES AND MONIQUE
    2008- SEAN PENN AND HEATH LEDGER
    2007- MARION COTILLARD AND JAVIER BARDEM
    2006- HELEN MIRREN AND ALAN ARKIN
    2005- PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN AND RACHEL WEISZ
    2004- HILARY SWANK AND CATE BLANCHETT
    2003- SEAN PENN AND TIM ROBBINS
    2002- NICOLE KIDMAN AND CHRIS COOPER
    2001- HALLE BERRY AND JENNIFER CONNELLY
    2000- JULIA ROBERTS AND MARCIA GAY HARDEN

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    Scottferguson
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    #129575

    If this were the case (as it should be – there is no such thing as male acting or female acting), they’d likely divide dramatic and comedy acting to get to 4 slots again.
    And guess what – Meryl Streep would then have two or three more Oscars!

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    Renaton
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    I think gender separation is interesting for a few reasons. For one, it brings diversity to the roles that get awards. Knowing the academy, most years men would completely dominate the categories. And we’d most likely get even blander winners and nominees by mashing both categories. I don’t think Wallis or Phoenix would’ve made a combined gender line-up of five, for example. 

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    Laactingnyc
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    #129577

    It is weird when you think about it, that we separate acting into genders. 

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    *Team*oscar
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    #129578

    Did it to grammy and i fell more artist get left out.

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    Scottferguson
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    #129579

    When you think of it, it’s weird that there are even acting awards – it’s really silly to try to compare performances, even more so since so much of the quality of the performance is in the director’s and editor’s hands.

    I’d prefer that they gave 4 career awards out every year (minimum 10 year career, two max lifetime) and end the competition that exists now.
    But then there’d be no GoldDerby.

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    Renaton
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    #129580

    The whole premise of trying to quantify art in level of quality, putting to comparison and giving it awards like a contest is weird.

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    #129581

    I’ll tell you one thing.  We homosexuals would not be happy.  It’s all about the women on these boards, but the power in the industry (and most industries) leans towards men.  

    I’d also love to see the showdown between Mo’Nique and Christoph Waltz in 2009 for the supporting award.  THAT would be a race. 

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    ladyhathor
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    #129582

    I think it would be likely that men would win a vast majority of times. For instance, I think the original post by nkb325 really overestimates the number of women who would win.  I’m fine with the gender separation because still in Hollywood men get a wider variety of interesting roles.

    Oh, wouldn’t it be interesting to look at vote percentages?

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    Scottferguson
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    #129583

    Yes, because so many male voters want to sleep with Bruce Dern and Daniel-Day Lewis.

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    ladyhathor
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    #129584

    LOL, point taken.

    But, take that example above. Would Monique have beaten Christoph Waltz?  I just think it more likely that the male dominated Academy would be flat out more likely to WATCH Inglorious Basterds than Precious.

    And look at the TCA awards in Television. They don’t do gender separation. Take a look at the history of nominees and winners there. Doesn’t look good for women. Though, I grant, that is a critics award and not a peer award.

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