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  • FreemanGriffin
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    #210705

    Leo’s comments at the Golden Globes really bugged me. The Revenant is NOT about indigenous people’s rights. The film has WHITE privileged characters at its center. If the film had been about the indians it would have: been a much more interesting film; and it would never have gotten made!

    Brooklyn I have heard is being conflated with today’s immagration political issues. It’s about a WHITE Irish girl and the film is a wonderful romance. But that’s all it is. The reason immigration issues are so contentious is because of the shades of brown skin that make up a majority of today’s immigrants. But a film about these issues would either be a documentary or a little seen low-budget indie film that hardly anyone would ever see.

    I also felt that Mad Max: Fury Road had white privilege as a large part of its (ahem) narrative.

    Carol’s lack of BP and Director nominations is about an inability to see oneself (by most academy voters) within the lives and universe of lesbian women. I predicted that Carol would likely get snubs for this very reason. In this case, its white heterosexual privilege.

    I didn’t like The Revenant for many reasons but this was certainly one of them. I liked Brooklyn but I only gave it a grade of B+.

    Films with black male protagonists faired poorly once again this year (Creed, Straight Outta Compton and Beasts Of No Nation). Black females were nearly invisible as leads this year (Tangerine and Chi-raq). Again, white heterosexul male privilege is acknowledged and rewarded by the academy.

    It’s their opinion, not a fact, that one film is “Best” and others aren’t. It’s fun, yes, but we shouldn’t take it all so seriously. It’s a snapshot of where our heads are at in this particular moment in time (I think that’s why I am rooting so hard for The Big Short!)

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    ENGLAND
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    #210707

    Oh God not this again…

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    babypook
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    Leo’s comments at the Golden Globes really bugged me. The Revenant is NOT about indigenous people’s rights. The film has WHITE privileged characters at its center. If the film had been about the indians it would have: been a much more interesting film; and it would never have gotten made!

     

    It doesnt have to be. It’s enough that it’s “implied”, or that there are so many reasons why First Nations has the right to Reconciliation.

    Also, just how many films have First Nations actors in them or working on them? And God forbid that a film like Dances With Wolves wins over the great Director who brought us thugs and murderers?

    Brooklyn I have heard is being conflated with today’s immagration political issues. It’s about a WHITE Irish girl and the film is a wonderful romance. But that’s all it is. The reason immigration issues are so contentious is because of the shades of brown skin that make up a majority of today’s immigrants. But a film about these issues would either be a documentary or a little seen low-budget indie film that hardly anyone would ever see.

     

    The Irish DID immigrate to this side of the pond, and in droves. What exactly is your point here? That a film maker shouldnt go back in time?

    Wanna see ‘brown skinned’ refugees outside of a Doc? Try the CBC….they’re still arriving actually, and they’re given coats, boots, toys, smiles, places to live, and welcomes.

    I also felt that Mad Max: Fury Road had white privilege as a large part of its (ahem) narrative.

    This film is colour-blind.

    Carol’s lack of BP and Director nominations is about an inability to see oneself (by most academy voters) within the lives and universe of lesbian women. I predicted that Carol would likely get snubs for this very reason. In this case, its white heterosexual privilege.

     

    The lives of lesbian women are like everybody elses. What makes it difficult is that, they have to “hide” it. They’re not ‘freaks’. It’s the collective society around them. Funny thing, if you go back far enough, no such prejudice existed that we know of.

    I didn’t like The Revenant for many reasons but this was certainly one of them. I liked Brooklyn but I only gave it a grade of B+.

    Films with black male protagonists faired poorly once again this year (Creed, Straight Outta Compton and Beasts Of No Nation). Black females were nearly invisible as leads this year (Tangerine and Chi-raq). Again, white heterosexul male privilege is acknowledged and rewarded by the academy.

     

    Er, I wouldnt put it quite this way but your point is almost impossible to disagree with.

    It’s their opinion, not a fact, that one film is “Best” and others aren’t. It’s fun, yes, but we shouldn’t take it all so seriously. It’s a snapshot of where our heads are at in this particular moment in time (I think that’s why I am rooting so hard for The Big Short!)

     

    Yes it’s their collective “opinion”, like most things. And yes, it’s a snapshot of our times. It always is.

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    Final2
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    Mad Max is about “White Privilege” THATS why Zoë Kravits was the one that got kidnapped (but lived) at the end! You have opened my eyes. I bet You were really pissed about Marlon Brando’s Oscar speech because the Godfather had nothing to do with Native Americans and his rejection speech was all about them.

    The only Black Actor subbed was Idris Elba but snubs happen all the time like Tilda Swinton, Mila Kunis or Emma Thompson which have happened in recent years. Surprise nominees happen all the time. I find it absolutely comical that the Oscars are “so white” that two years ago 12 years a slave (with POC being nominated in lead and winning in supporting role) could have won Best Picture (and rightfully so, amazing film) with voters who don’t like black people.

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    ENGLAND
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    Mad Max is about “White Privilege” THATS why Zoë Kravits was the one that got kidnapped (but lived) at the end! You have opened my eyes. I bet You were really pissed about Marlon Brando’s Oscar speech because the Godfather had nothing to do with Native Americans and his rejection speech was all about them.

    The only Black Actor subbed was Idris Elba but snubs happen all the time like Tilda Swinton, Mila Kunis or Emma Thompson which have happened in recent years. Surprise nominees happen all the time. I find it absolutely comical that the Oscars are “so white” that two years ago 12 years a slave (with POC being nominated in lead and winning in supporting role) could have won Best Picture (and rightfully so, amazing film) with voters who don’t like black people.

    Great read!

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    Rinolo Twenty-two
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    Jesus Christ, you always find a way to hate on The Revenant or Mad Max, I don’t like the first one, but I think it’s enough, you know. Oscars are about celebrate the best in filmmaking, no matter if it’s white, black, latino, asian, etc. They’re not obligated to nominated black people just for the sake of it.

    I think it’s enough with the BET Award, no one is saying sh*t about an award specially for black people.

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    Tony Ruiz
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    Everytime I think I can’t hear a dumber, less coherent argument, another dumber, EVEN LESS coherent argument emerges.  

    Yes, more people of color deserve nominations.  Yes, Elba was snubbed.  So was Michael B. Jordan.  But the fact that Beasts, Creed, and Straight Outta Compton were the ONLY three really Oscar worthy films is a bigger problem than the academy’s refusal to give them more nominations.

    Viola Davis was right at the Emmys…you can’t win for roles and films that simply aren’t there.  So for me, it’s not about the Academy as much as it’s about the industry itself. 

    Oh…and The Revenant and Mad MAx arguments are brainless.   

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    SamEckmann
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    Question: Just because a movie is not about a certain topic, does that not mean an actor giving an acceptance speech from said movie can highlight an issue that is important to him/her? Leo gives lots of money towards American Indians, specifically working towards buying their lands back. Is that what the Revenant is about? Nope. But I’m sure he figured it was a better use of his time in the spotlight than a boring list of thank yous.

    It just seems like you have an axe to grind with Revenant and Mad Max from this post and others. Art is subjective and others are allowed to enjoy films that you dont. Inserting a dig at the same film every time its mentioned will never change this fact. (Also, I have yet to read or hear anywhere that people are equating Brooklyn’s immigrant story with current immigration politics. Where are those sources?).

    The important aspects to look at (imo) in terms of the lack of diversity in the Oscar nominations is
    1.) The industry as a whole needs to change. Even with the films by black filmmakers that were overlooked, there are a scant number of them. Hollywood on the whole skews towards stories told through a white male lens. The Oscars can only nominate what is there.
    2.) When a film is made with a different perspective (be it gender, race, sexuality etc) many distributors do not consider it for awards campaigns because of hollywoods said slant towards white male perspective. For example: Creed. It sadly was never a real contender for picture or director at the Oscars because waner bros realized far too late that they had a contender on their hands. The campaign did not kick into high gear til late in the game, so the only person nominated is the one with the hollywood narrative. Sadly it usually takes time and loads of money to win these awards (just ask Ann Dowd).
    3.) The absence of Straight Outta Compton proves to me that the sliding number of best picture nominees isnt working. This is a film by a black director with a talented black cast, which played very well to critics, audiences and academy members. And it was actually given a real awards campaign. Why isnt it there? My theory is that the demo of the academy liked it, but when push came to shove, precious few gave it their #1 slot because it wasnt about them. If they went back to a guaranteed 10 slots, and make strides to rapidly diversify the academy membership (as in: you need at least 90% of new members this year to be under 50, and that wont even make enough of a dent), we will hopefully start seeing more perspectives being honored at the oscars. 

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    DamianWayne
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    We get it, you don’t like The Revenant or Fury Road.

    Cease and fucking desist already! 

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    Baby Clyde
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    There have been more black acting Oscar winners this century
    than the previous 70 years put together and 31 nominations since 2000
    against 31 in total from 1927 – 1999.

    No one is suggesting that things are perfect but the idea that the Academy is inherently racist is ridiculous. Given the chance they have proven more than willing to nominate people of any race for an award, the problem is that lack of chances available.

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    Riley
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    Carol’s lack of BP and Director nominations is about an inability to see oneself (by most academy voters) within the lives and universe of lesbian women. I predicted that Carol would likely get snubs for this very reason.

    You had Carol eighth in your predictions:
    http://www.goldderby.com/FreemanGriffin/mypredictions/archive/300

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    ENGLAND
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    [quote=”FreemanGriffin”]Carol’s lack of BP and Director nominations is about an inability to see oneself (by most academy voters) within the lives and universe of lesbian women. I predicted that Carol would likely get snubs for this very reason.You had Carol eighth in your predictions:
    http://www.goldderby.com/FreemanGriffin/mypredictions/archive/300

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    Damn! lolololol

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    #210719

    There’s nothing more stupid than the whinning about white privilege, in fact the concept of  “white privilege” is retarded.

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    redcarpetfan
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    Mad Max is about “White Privilege” THATS why Zoë Kravits was the one that got kidnapped (but lived) at the end! You have opened my eyes. I bet You were really pissed about Marlon Brando’s Oscar speech because the Godfather had nothing to do with Native Americans and his rejection speech was all about them.

    The only Black Actor subbed was Idris Elba but snubs happen all the time like Tilda Swinton, Mila Kunis or Emma Thompson which have happened in recent years. Surprise nominees happen all the time. I find it absolutely comical that the Oscars are “so white” that two years ago 12 years a slave (with POC being nominated in lead and winning in supporting role) could have won Best Picture (and rightfully so, amazing film) with voters who don’t like black people.

    Agree leo speech was great not all about him.

    Also on carol talk LGBT people of colour are been killed disgriminated agiainst BECAUSE there lgbT NOT because there a person of colour as those people are also doing it to.

    Another woman of color needs to win best actress we need start talking about non white feminism, theres great female actors out there and lots and lots moc film makers.

    Samuel l jackson is snubed for everything only one nomiation, ONE.

    when someone doesnt get a nod it making them look like there not good enough, and others who get them so easily are better, im personally really bored of same overhyped white people being there and always get in oscar type films.

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    Moviebuff22
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    Let’s see, Denzel, Jamie Foxx, Halley Berry, Gaboruie whatever the hell, Lupita Nyongo, Forest Whittaker, and 12 years a slave have all won Oscars semi recently. Yes, they’re practically out there in the streets with rubber hoses smh

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