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Why Do Actors Keep winning Comedy Globes for DRAMAS???

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  • Jason Travis
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    It seems this is becoming a pattern, and I would like to know why actors keep winning (and getting nominated) for performances that are obviously DRAMA, but get nominated for COMEDY.

    Amy Adams in Big Eyes was the biggest error this year. She was fine in her performance, but that movie was NOT a comedy. A little Tim Burton-esque here and there, but it was not funny. And Amy Adams played it dramatic and straight.

    Is it marketing reasons? They have 10 slots per category, so movie studios are allowed to submit to either category since there’s more to choose from?

    Even Michael Keaton in Birdman wasn’t really comedy. It was a dramatic role in a dramedy at best.

     

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    24Emmy
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    #173215

    100% comedies very rarely even get nominated in the first place. Sad fact, but so true.

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    hanzz
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    Hmm. When, indeed, was the last time a bona fide comedic performance in a bona fide comedic film won? Meryl Streep in Prada? Meryl Streep in J/J?

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    DominicCobb
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    Oscars love dramatic movies and the Globes love predicting the Oscars. Pretending dramatic films are comedic gives the Globes a higher chance of being right on their Oscar predicts.

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    DominicCobb
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    The annoying thing is that this category exists because it’s supposed to award comedic actors who deserve recognition but cannot make it past the bias to have a showing in a combined field. 

    It’s interesting that Michael Keaton made a nod to this fact. He’s been primarily a comedic actor, and he said in his speech that he appreciates that there is an award that recognizes comedic actors. But of course he’s winning that award for a primarily dramatic performance.

    I suppose we can be happy that Grand Budapest Hotel won, as I think most would consider it a comedy. But, still, it does lean towards the drama end a bit.

    it’s crazy to think that The Hangover won Best Comedy just five years ago. A lot has changed since then. Honestly the HFPA would do well to add in some real comedies, and get the ratings up. No reason why Guardians of the Galaxy shouldn’t show here, or even 22 Jump Street or The Lego Movie (remember when Toy Story 2 won Best Comedy? feels so long ago).

    The GGs really need to get their act together. Despite what they think, this category fraud is really decreasing their relevancy and making them more of a strange, deformed, amalgamated Oscar and Emmy clone. And there’s no reason to have that. 

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    24Emmy
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    it’s crazy to think that The Hangover won Best Comedy just five years ago. A lot has changed since then. Honestly the HFPA would do well to add in some real comedies, and get the ratings up. No reason why Guardians of the Galaxy shouldn’t show here, or even 22 Jump Street or The Lego Movie (remember when Toy Story 2 won Best Comedy? feels so long ago).

     

    Top Five looked like an obvious nominee this year. Chris Rock? Zero love there.

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    AMG
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    I don’t think it’s the HFPA’s fault, its the campaigners who decide to position films into Comedy or Drama, and if it isn’t the darkest drama, and it’s a tough year, then Comedy is the place to put your best hopes of awards, who aren’t frontrunners. 

    My Week With Marilyn was not a Comedy. Nor do I recall any show-tunes in it. But it was the smartest category to place it, business wise. Michelle Williams could easily win the comedy category, but not the gong for drama, up against Streep & Davis. 

    With this year, Birdman has a darkly twisted sense of humour. It belongs in the Comedy categories. A comedy doesn’t have to be laugh out loud, in your face hilarious. There are different levels to humour, which this year demonstrated. 

    But then, are there enough good enough out and out comedies each year to make the categories worth while if there were tighter restrictions? This year there would have been 22 Jump Street and Grand Budapest Hotel. Guardians of the Galaxy isn’t primarily a comedy, it’s an action film. The script has lighter moments. But that doesn’t make it a comedy. You cannot on the one hand say that Guardians is a comedy, but on the other say that Birdman definitely isn’t. 

    In order to make up the numbers this year, the likes of The Interview may well have had to be nominated, because I can’t think of five good ‘traditional comedies’ in 2014.  

    In terms of actual ‘hilarity’, where no one can argue that the film is, or at least sets out, to be a Comedy, then this years nominees would have probably been:

    • The Grand Budapest Hotel
    • 22 Jump Street
    • A Million Way To Die In The West?
    • The LEGO Movie?
    • Neighbours?

    As well as the Musicals Into The Woods, Begin Again, Annie etc. 

    Let’s face it, Birdman and Pride make it a much stronger line up than what it could have been!

     
     

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    I fucking despise it. That’s my position on it.

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    Macbeth
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    I think the whole American Hustle and Big Eyes thing was ridiculous and they deserve to be in drama, even though they were funny at times, same with Her unfortunately. 

    But Birdman and The Wolf of Wall Street are two examples I completely agree with on their position here in Comedy/Musical. I laughed harder at those two than most comedy movies in their respective years. Birdman is very cynical and coldly hilarious, and is the epitome of dark humor. I think we remember the grandiose moments of Michael Keaton’s performance – flying over the city, his intense monologues etc. – and are forgetting some of his moments of genuine comedy – the fight scene with Norton, trashing the dressing room, the SPOILER revelation of his new nose SPOILER. I think Birdman was an absolutely hilarious film, and just because it didn’t have broad laughs, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a comedy. If you REALLY want to be desperate, you could even go for the absurd idea that the live drummer throughout the movie could even make it qualify for the musical side of it  

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    Yep I found Birdman to be one of the funniest films of the year but then again I found American Hustle to be one of the funniest films last year. I suppose it can sometimes get blurry, the lines between comedy and drama. But I still think Birdman is a drama.

    Guardians of the Galaxy was definitely a comedy. Action comedies are a thing. Every other line in that film was a joke. Whether it was funny or not is a different argument.

    The first step for the Globes needs to be getting rid of those obvious drama films, like Big Eyes and such. Her was my second favorite film from last year, but it only made me laugh like two times. So putting it in comedy was pretty egregious.

    I think Top Five probably should have been given some noms. Not my favorite movie, and it has some serious bits, but it’s definitely on the comedy side. The fact that a movie like that couldn’t squeeze in is a great example of how messed up the category fraud is making everything. 

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    AMG
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    But Her is not a heavily dramatic film. It could be argued that it is a futuristic romantic-comedy, hence its presence in the comedy race last year. It’s not just about how funny a film is, and whether or not that warrants a place in comedy. You also need to look at how dramatic it is, and whether it warrants a place in the drama category. While Foxcatcher/Theory of Everything/Gone Girl etc. are all definite drama films, Birdman isn’t. To say that it is a drama film, to me, wouldn’t fit. Just because a film isn’t hilarious, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be place in the musical/comedy category. 

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    It seems this is becoming a pattern, and I would like to know why actors keep winning (and getting nominated) for performances that are obviously DRAMA, but get nominated for COMEDY.

    Amy Adams in Big Eyes was the biggest error this year. She was fine in her performance, but that movie was NOT a comedy. A little Tim Burton-esque here and there, but it was not funny. And Amy Adams played it dramatic and straight.

    Is it marketing reasons? They have 10 slots per category, so movie studios are allowed to submit to either category since there’s more to choose from?

    Even Michael Keaton in Birdman wasn’t really comedy. It was a dramatic role in a dramedy at best.

     

    Their choices are iffy and sometimes unfathomable. I recall, they wanted to place Rachel Getting Married in this category before they changed their minds, didnt they? Lol. Yah, that was very funny indeed.

    I suppose, humour is something undefinable in a cultural sense. There have been times where I am the only person laughing in the theatre (Birdman, etc) and other times where I didnt laugh at all (Knocked Up).

    Making up some general rules on what is Comedy and what is not, I dont think would work any better than it is now…..

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    seabel
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    ETPhoneHome
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    I think every comedy movie should have a laughtrack on it, to make sure it is always perfectly clear. Or at the very least, have one big musical number to qualify for musical. In all seriousness, I hate that the studios get to decide where to put their films, making it strategic. If the Globes just accepted submissions, then nominated them wherever they wanted, it would at least be more consistent. Drama will almost always be the category with the better films, but then that just speaks to the subjectivity of humour.

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    Atypical
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    This category could have “true” comedies the likes of “Tammy,” “A Million Ways to Die in the West,” “Let’s Be Cops!” “Guardians of the Galaxy,” any of the animated films if they were allowed to compete here, “Ride Along,” “22 Jump Street,” etc. This was the strongest the category has been in years and possibly as good as it could have been. “Pride” was an inspired choice. “Begin Again” would have been too (but not at the expense of “Into the Woods”; take out “St. Vincent” instead). “The Grand Budapest Hotel,” “Birdman, or the Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance,” and “Into the Woods” had to be included. The only really “dramatic” one is “Birdman,” and I’d call that a dramedy that would have been served in either Drama or Comedy/Musical. I have more of a problem with musical biopics getting the default placement here instead of Drama. I’m somewhat surprised that “Big Eyes” didn’t make the cut here.

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