June 25, 2015 at 1:26 pm #188951
Upon looking at the Animated Feature contenders in the past, I noticed something troubling.
After Brave won it’s Academy Award in 2012, the following year Frozen won, and the recipients for the award were Chris Buck, Jennifer Lee and Peter Del Vecho. Now on the surface, nothing seems amiss, but let’s look at the role these three people had upon making Frozen. Buck and Lee were directors, which is pretty typical in this category, but Del Vecho is the producer. This has me worried that the Oscars maybe don’t allow Animated Features to contend in Best Picture anymore.
Why is this? Because in Animated Feature, they have the producer join the directors as recipients as opposed to just having one or two recipients in the past, almost always the directors (on rare occasions they were other people, like Shrek’s win to the recipient Aron Warner, who was the producer). This means that the directors of the animated features could be awarded for Animated Feature while the producers could potentially be awarded for Best Picture if they make it.
Again, looking back at Up and Toy Story 3, two Best Picture nominees, the producers, Jonas Rivera and Darla K. Anderson respectively were the contenders in Picture, but the directors, Pete Docter and Lee Unkrich respectively, won their categories in Animated Feature. But if a producer is awarded recipient, this could lead to the argument that the producer can’t be awarded in two separate awards. If the producer of “such-and-such” won Animated Feature, then what’s the point of awarding him/her again in Best Picture, even if the film is the clear frontrunner to win.
Recall back to when Frozen was a phenomenon, making a buttload of money and critics falling all over themselves for the movie. Several people theorized that it should have been a contender for Best Picture, seeing as it should’ve gotten in on its popularity alone. But because the Academy decided to award Buck, Lee and Del Vecho instead of just Buck and Lee where Del Vecho could have contended for Best Picture, this made it put the film in its place, as it were, not letting “children’s entertainment” run rampant in the serious category of Best Picture.
Thus we come to Inside Out, Pixar’s return to form after three films that were not as strong as the eleven that came before it. Sure, Cars 2, Brave and Monsters University didn’t deserve Best Picture nods, but only because they weren’t beloved enough. Inside Out has near-unanimous critical approval, strong box office, and is just really damn good. But because of the assumption that the director Pete Docter AND the producer Jonas Rivera will be the recipients for it in Animated Feature, that all but puts the kibosh on its Best Picture chances, even though it sure as hell deserves it, which is profoundly unfair if you ask me. A good children’s film is still a good film, plain and simple. This stupid rule based solely on the Academy’s overall bias over the art form of animation has my Disgust emotion working in hyperdrive!
So expect Inside Out to get Animated Feature, and nods for its Screenplay, Score and perhaps both Sound categories, but for Best Picture… if it was released prior to 2010, then absolutely, but now (and this goes double for those pundits wanting Pete Docter to be the first animation director to be in consideration for Best Director, a choice that I am all for, by the way) Best Picture doesn’t stand even an inkling of a chance.
But, this is just a theory.
FYC: Ready Player One. Sound Editing, Sound Mixing, Visual Effects, Original Score, Production Design, Director and BEST PICTURE (make it happen Oscars!!)June 25, 2015 at 2:19 pm #188953
Does anyone who votes think about who will win the award with regards to producers? I can’t see that being a prohibiting factor against Inside Out.June 25, 2015 at 2:25 pm #188954
My theory is that Disney accidentally split their votes with Frozen since they were pushing Saving Mr. Banks so hard. Also note that animated films haven’t gotten in since the 5% rule was adopted. That might have more to do with it.June 25, 2015 at 3:47 pm #188955
My theory is that Disney accidentally split their votes with Frozen since they were pushing Saving Mr. Banks so hard. Also note that animated films haven’t gotten in since the 5% rule was adopted. That might have more to do with it.
Could be, but I’m saying that even with that rule that if they wanted to contend for Best Picture they couldn’t because of that rule, or if they actually did campaign for Best Picture on their FYC page like How To Train Your Dragon 2 did, then they would get disqualified.
FYC: Ready Player One. Sound Editing, Sound Mixing, Visual Effects, Original Score, Production Design, Director and BEST PICTURE (make it happen Oscars!!)June 25, 2015 at 4:44 pm #188956
Does anyone who votes think about who will win the award with regards to producers? I can’t see that being a prohibiting factor against Inside Out.
I don’t think anyone “thinks” about it while their voting. The people tallying up the voting probably got rid of them long before voting actually starts.
FYC: Ready Player One. Sound Editing, Sound Mixing, Visual Effects, Original Score, Production Design, Director and BEST PICTURE (make it happen Oscars!!)June 25, 2015 at 5:35 pm #188957
No animated movie has been nominated for BP since TS3 because there has not been an animated picture as good as TS3 since then. Inside Out finally has the acclaim most people had been waiting for, and a surprisingly strong box office, i don’t think people thought it would do that well.
The Lego Movie is the last animated picture that could have been nominated, because of how good it was and the smashing box office, but sadly, we know how it turned out….. Frozen is not Best Picture deserving, even Big Hero 6 is a little more deserving.
I agree, it would be totally unfair if rules were being handled that wayJune 25, 2015 at 10:52 pm #188958
So Pete Doctor isn’t gonna show up for best Director coz he will be winning in best animated feature ? Oh Academy !!June 27, 2015 at 6:35 am #188959
I have the Academy choosing 7 films to be nominated for picture
1. Suffragette (winner)
2. The Danish Girl
3. The Revenant
6. Bridge of Spies
7. Steve Jobs
I thought Inside Out was just alright. I prefered Toy Story, Up, Ratatouille, etc. Inside Out will not crack best picture.June 27, 2015 at 11:58 am #188960
I don’t understand. Are you suggesting there is a rule that animated movies can’t be nominated for Best Picture because a producer can be among the nominated in the Animated Feature category? Because that isn’t true. Animated films (along with all feature films) are eligible for Best Picture.
As for “Frozen,” it didn’t have a chance of being nominated. It did a lot of business, but it was pure children’s fluff. The three animated films that have been nominated for Best Picture, and especially the two recent ones, had distinct adult appeal and dealt with adult themes alongside the children’s. That’s not true for “Frozen.” “Frozen” also didn’t have near the reviews of “Up,” “TS3,” and “Beauty and the Beast.” In fact, “Frozen” had a lower Metacritic rating than any film nominated for BP in 2013, and all but two had much higher scores.
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