February 4, 2014 at 4:17 pm #138337
This is my second animation themed thread in a short amount of time. My apologies for that, but I am an unabashed animation geek. I love the medium, and totally think that they deserve more wrap then they are taken for.
Clayton Davis of awardscircuit.com tweeted something a while ago about whether or not an animated film would ever win Best Picture at the Oscars ever in his lifetime. That really got me thinking if such an occurence can happen.
Only three animated films in the Academy’s almost 90 year history have been nominated. Beauty and the Beast, Up and Toy Story 3 achieved just that. Beauty did it without the handicap of nominating 10 films for BP. Granted, I think that had the Academy kept their rule about nominating 5 films that Toy Story 3 would still make it in, Up on the other hand I feel wouldn’t have, just because of all the competition that year. I also think that TS3 was the closest to actually winning the prize because it was just that damn good.
I believe that if the medium continues to get made the way that it is, as funny, frantic family adventures with heart and celebrity voice work, then it would still be a rare occurrence to get nominated and it will never win Best Picture ever. That being said, if someone made a film like a crime thriller, a dramatic biopic or at least doesn’t follow the standard “unwritten” rules of making animated films today, then yes, I think that it is a good possibility. Also, in time, the Academy’s taste will differ. As the older members eventually pass away, newer “hipper” members will want to take more chances with their choices.
But I still think that if they continue going down this path, even if the film got unanimous critical and audience approval and a massive intake at the box office, no animated film will ever win Best Picture.February 4, 2014 at 4:27 pm #138339
Toy Story 3 would not have been nominated. It could not even get sound mixing. In addition to the five nominated for Best Director, Inception had eight nominations and 127 Hours got into editing. Toy Story 3 might have been eighth and was no better than sixth.
I do not see one winning anytime soon, but ever? Hmm.February 4, 2014 at 4:54 pm #138340
As long as the best animated feature category exists, an animated movie will NEVER win best picture. Why? because animated movies, and the animated feature category, are seen as the kids and the kids-table in a weekend family reunion, respectively. They are relegated to seat on their own mini-table for them, and will never be invited to seat on the main table where the adults seat.February 4, 2014 at 5:04 pm #138341
I wonder if an animated feature can win Best Foreign Film. Small steps…and world cinema, as we know, has a much different tradition of animation than American cinema and gears to much more mature themes. Waltz with Bashir is a very strong film, and might have won the category if it had competed in today’s system with the entire Academy voting.February 4, 2014 at 5:08 pm #138342
If one gets into DGA/Globes/Bafta, gets a billion dollars, and has like a 97 on Metacritic, I guess.
There hasn’t been a 76 for an American animated film since Toy Story 3, so it’s not like animated films are having a golden age.February 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm #138343
Definitely not anytime soon.February 4, 2014 at 5:48 pm #138344
Probably not, only because the great and powerful acting branch of the Academy wants to see real people up there on the screen.February 4, 2014 at 6:05 pm #138345
I doubt it. I mean, animated films rarely even win screenplay awards these days.February 4, 2014 at 7:22 pm #138346
It would have to feature adult themes and/or innovative animation to even come close to a nomination, let alone a win. It’s unfortunate, but there really is an unfair bias towards live action cinema. Although I think it could be done if a beloved director gets behind it like a Martin Scorsese or Ang Lee then it could happen. It didn’t exactly work for Spielberg with The Adventures of Tintin, but that movie didn’t make much of a splash overall.February 4, 2014 at 7:32 pm #138347
The forumla needed,
Weak year + acclaimed director/cast + director dies + good reviews = win
Beauty and the Beast does not get enough credit for getting into the 5 film field. An amazing accomplishment. Wonder where they finished?February 4, 2014 at 7:41 pm #138348
I wouldn’t invest too much in the idea of the possibility of it happening in our life time. Since animation has its own category many won’t see a reason to make history and have it competitive with live-action film.February 5, 2014 at 12:09 am #138349
I don’t see an animated film ever winning. Look at Ratatouille, WALL-E,
and Spirited Away for examples of near perfect and universally acclaimed
animated films that weren’t even nominated for Best Picture (with
Metacritic scores of 96, 94, and 94 respectively). Only three animated
films have ever been nominated for Best Picture and two of them probably
only got in due to the expanded category. Beauty and the Beast was the only one nominated under the narrower five entry rules.
I would say that the Ratatouille snub is really the proof of why there is no chance. This film lost out to nominations by Juno, Michael Clayton, and Atonement; films that are not even near the same tier of excellence as Ratatouille. And let’s take a look at the precursors: it was relegated to the kids’ table in the Golden Globes, PGA, NBR, and the BAFTA awards (not nominated outside of animation). The snubs on Spirited Away (a film that I consider the greatest animated film of all time) are even worse, but to be fair, much of that might be due to it being a foreign film.February 5, 2014 at 12:58 am #138350
Pretty sure the acting branch will never allow this to happenFebruary 5, 2014 at 1:49 am #138351
This is the reason that Beauty and the Beast’s nomination was such an incredible achievement. I really don’t think TS3 or Up would have made it into a 5 nominee field. So the movie would have to be at least as good as Beauty, which is considered one of the great animated movies ever- and those are very rare. I don’t know- I’d like to see one that has a chance, but I don’t thinkg the acting branch would ever allow it