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  • MarquisWarren
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    I realize there’s already a Supporting Actress thread,
    but I felt that Jennifer Jason Leigh deserves her own thread! I’ve been
    following her Oscar buzz with great interest, and she seems to be one of the
    year’s more divisive contenders. For example: Clayton Davis currently ranks her
    at No. 1 on Awards Circuit, Gold Derby users rank her at No. 3 in the
    predictions centre, Nathaniel Rogers ranks her No. 5 on The Film Experience
    blog, while both the Gold Derby experts and the Awards Daily forum monthly
    polls rank her at No. 6. Let’s take a closer look at JJL’s Oscar chances and
    potential Oscar “narrative”.


    Firstly, I can’t think of another contemporary
    Hollywood actress who has been so unlucky with AMPAS for such a long time. Just
    to recap, her main snubs were for
    Miami
    Blues
    and Last Exit to Brooklyn
    in 1990 (New York Film Critics Circle and Boston Society of Film Critics
    awards),
    Mrs. Parker & the Vicious
    Circle
    in 1994 (Golden Globe nomination; National Society of Film Critics
    award), and
    Georgia in 1995 (New York
    Film Critics Circle award). After several years under the radar, JJL
    unexpectedly landed the female lead in
    The
    Hateful Eight
    after rumors of Jennifer Lawrence’s casting, and over
    previous Oscar winners
    /nominees like Geena Davis, Hilary Swank and Michelle
    Williams (plus other, more famous names like Robin Wright, Demi Moore and Evan
    Rachel Wood). With this news, many prognosticators speculated that she might be
    nominated or even win the Oscar; she just “feels” like the kind of actress who
    could win on her first nomination, if only she could just get nominated in the
    first place.

     

    Her early buzz seemed to fade with reports that her
    role was underwritten and one-dimensional in the leaked script draft, then
    picked up again with word that Tarantino had written two further drafts of the
    script. There’s also the fact that she’s been prominently featured in the early
    publicity material for the film (e.g. the Entertainment
    Weekly
    cover), that Tarantino has hyped her up in two recent interviews
    with Deadline and Vulture, and that Harvey Weinstein will
    probably give her a solid push (though Rooney Mara seems his top Supporting
    priority). The trailer didn’t seem to do much for her buzz either way: she
    doesn’t utter a word in it, but it also seems like they were limited by her
    largely profane dialogue and perhaps withheld her character a bit to create
    mystery. Even so, it’s clearly a flashy role, and few actresses glare and
    glower as expressively as Leigh (see her many nonverbal scenes in Last Exit to Brooklyn). Some have
    wondered how AMPAS will respond to her character, Daisy Domergue: a feral,
    crazy, racist murderess who seemingly does plenty of cackling and screaming
    while trying to escape from bounty hunter Kurt Russell. It could be a big
    turn-off… or it could be a scene-stealing showcase from the one woman in a
    testosterone-heavy ensemble.

     

    So… sight-unseen, in late August, what are your
    thoughts on JJL’s Oscar chances? Will the fact that she’s a never-nominated
    industry veteran with a 35-year Hollywood career boost or hinder her chances?
    Where do you rank her above/below other sight-unseen contenders (e.g. Diane
    Ladd, Isabella Rossellini, Ellen Page, Helena Bonham Carter), or against AMPAS
    darlings who may campaign harder (Jane Fonda, Kate Winslet)? Will the fact that
    The Hateful Eight is a probable commercial
    success that will be more widely seen by AMPAS members than some other films be a decisive factor, or
    does she seem like the type who’ll need a bunch of critics’ awards to enter the
    race?


    Interested in all your thoughts!

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    Anonymous
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    I don’t think so. She seems to be the “fan choice” instead of the “Academy’s choice”. Also considering how mediocore Tarantino is with her ladies in supporting…I’m not sure. But of course it would be lovely to see her on this list…I’m just not buying her yet.

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    babypook
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    I’ve said this before, but JJL is a fantastic thespian. I’ve been watching her since she was a kid. May I recommend her in Last Exit to Brooklyn, Bastard Out of Carolina, Margot at the Wedding, Childstar, Georgia, Short Cuts, The King is Alive, Delores Claiborne, and a really early one, Flesh and Blood, which I’ve seen titled in different ways…and I’m leaving some of her stellar works out.

    I would absolutely LOVE to see her get some high profile attention, finally. I liked her dad too btw….

    She’s in tough this year, and with Tarantino directing, well, he often ‘steals’ the spotlight. But even so, a nomination in a high-profile film cant hurt her. And no, I dont expect the film to either tank, or miss with the ‘critics’, the former being far more important imo.

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    M H
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    Doubtful. Tarantino hasn’t had an actress nominated since Uma Thurman more than 20 years ago, dispite strong candidates like Pam Grier, Melanie Laurent, Kerry Washington, Diana Kruger, Daryl Hannah, and Thurman again. No real reason to expect that the change. 

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    Nate
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    Ah, JJL. I still remember the 1-2 punch of her 94-95 snubs and still get chills whenever I watch her performance in Single White Female. She’s primarily stuck to films that are so independent and small that they just don’t generate her with sufficient attention, but, maybe with the Weinstein Company behind her this year, she just might break through. I do hope that she has enough to do and doesn’t just have to react in a graphic novel sort of way like I feel many Tarantino characters do, so, if the performance and the publicity kick in early and often, she just might break through. Interestingly, I worry that the late release date might be the thing that hurts most, as, if contenders are solidified during film festivals as they often have been in recent years, she’ll struggle for attention in even under the most favorable circumstances.

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    I’ve said this before, but JJL is a fantastic thespian. I’ve been watching her since she was a kid. May I recommend her in Last Exit to Brooklyn, Bastard Out of Carolina, Margot at the Wedding, Childstar, Georgia, Short Cuts, The King is Alive, Dolores Claiborne, and a really early one, Flesh and Blood, which I’ve seen titled in different ways…and I’m leaving some of her stellar works out.

    I would absolutely LOVE to see her get some high profile attention, finally. I liked her dad too btw….

    She’s in tough this year, and with Tarantino directing, well, he often ‘steals’ the spotlight. But even so, a nomination in a high-profile film cant hurt her. And no, I dont expect the film to either tank, or miss with the ‘critics’, the former being far more important imo.

    I think she’s pretty annoying and over the top in that one, though.

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    Chris Beachum
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    Yes, and I am predicting her to win sight unseen. We know Tarantino can get acting nominations and wins. She is way overdue (at least for a nomination) and will really stand out among all of those men. It reminds of Kim Basinger for “L.A. Confidential,” who might have been the 6th or 7th best performance in that film but was the only woman for the voters to rally around.

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    Yes, and I am predicting her to win sight unseen. We know Tarantino can get acting nominations and wins. She is way overdue (at least for a nomination) and will really stand out among all of those men. It reminds of Kim Basinger for “L.A. Confidential,” who might have been the 6th or 7th best performance in that film but was the only woman for the voters to rally around.

    1. For Christoph Waltz, yes. Actually, most of the time he has failed to get his actors in. His power is in “story-telling” and not “characterization”. If actresses such as Pam Grier, Uma Thurman (for “Kill Bill), Melanie Laurent or Diane Kruger didn’t make the cut, I have my doubts about Jennifer as well.

    2. I doubt that the Academy is like: “Hey, it’s not like she’s good comparing to her castmates, but let’s give her an award, because she’s the only female in cast”. If she’s not good enough they will go with another actress from a different film For example Rooney Mara, Kate Winslet, Ellen Page or Diane Ladd.

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    benbraddock
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    A wonderful actress who’s been snubbed for so many great performances. I’m hoping Tarantino does her justice and she gets a supporting nomination

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    babypook
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    [quote=”Chris Beachum”]

    Yes, and I am predicting her to win sight unseen. We know Tarantino can get acting nominations and wins. She is way overdue (at least for a nomination) and will really stand out among all of those men. It reminds of Kim Basinger for “L.A. Confidential,” who might have been the 6th or 7th best performance in that film but was the only woman for the voters to rally around.

    1. For Christoph Waltz, yes. Actually, most of the time he has failed to get his actors in. His power is in “story-telling” and not “characterization”. If actresses such as Pam Grier, Uma Thurman (for “Kill Bill), Melanie Laurent or Diane Kruger didn’t make the cut, I have my doubts about Jennifer as well.

    2. I doubt that the Academy is like: “Hey, it’s not like she’s good comparing to her castmates, but let’s give her an award, because she’s the only female in cast”. If she’s not good enough they will go with another actress from a different film For example Rooney Mara, Kate Winslet, Ellen Page or Diane Ladd.
    [/quote]

     

    I wonder who decides that one…….

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    Milk Money
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    Doubtful. Tarantino hasn’t had an actress nominated since Uma Thurman more than 20 years ago, dispite strong candidates like Pam Grier, Melanie Laurent, Kerry Washington, Diana Kruger, Daryl Hannah, and Thurman again. No real reason to expect that the change. 

    And Bridget Fonda. I remember some people were expecting her to surprise for Jackie Brown. As for Leigh, I think she’s got a strong shot in this otherwise weak lineup so far.

    I’m also all for her win not only for being one of the most talented working actresses, but it’ll also be cool to see Oscar go to two women over 40. (Sandra Bullock’s my pick for Best Actress).

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    MarquisWarren
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    quote=”MysteriousRent”]

    Doubtful. Tarantino hasn’t had an actress nominated since Uma Thurman more than 20 years ago, dispite strong candidates like Pam Grier, Melanie Laurent, Kerry Washington, Diana Kruger, Daryl Hannah, and Thurman again. No real reason to expect that the change. 

    [ quote]

    I see your point, and
    it may well be the case that AMPAS just doesn’t like Tarantino women and that
    nothing will change this year, but I’m not sure those are the best points of
    comparison for a few different reasons.

    Pam Grier gives one of
    the very best Tarantino performances in Jackie
    Brown
    , but remember, she was widely considered a 70s blaxploitation queen
    who was by then reduced to small roles in Steven Seagal action films and a bit part in
    Escape From LA. She wasn’t regarded
    as an especially strong dramatic actress before Jackie Brown so she wasn’t really deemed “overdue”. The fact that Kill Bill was split into two films and
    not given an award-friendly platform effectively killed any chances for Uma
    Thurman, Daryl Hannah and even David Carradine. Internal competition between
    Melanie Laurent and Diane Kruger in Inglourious
    Basterds
    probably split votes and cost them both nominations, and neither
    were so well established in Hollywood that enough people rooted for one over the
    other. Above all, though, I don’t think any of those actresses had a
    sufficiently compelling Oscar narrative – like Jennifer Jason Leigh being an
    acclaimed but never-nominated Hollywood veteran, badly snubbed on several
    occasions, and the only woman in all-male cast – to make AMPAS care enough. Still,
    the fact that Grier, Thurman and Kruger made it as far as Golden Globe and/or
    SAG nominations means they were all still firmly in the awards conversation,
    and that another Tarantino lady could break through under the right conditions.
    It may be this year, it may not!

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    MarquisWarren
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    Thanks for all the
    interesting replies. Can we try to keep this thread active to monitor Leigh’s
    rise/fall more closely through awards season?

    Just in response to Boomer
    (sorry, I can’t seem to quote you directly for some reason)… I’v
    e also thought about
    LA Confidential as a point of
    comparison here. And like this year, 1997 was considered a competitive year for Supporting
    Actress: Gloria Stuart and Julianne Moore had big critical/industry support,
    Joan Cusack won a few critics’ awards, even Minnie Driver had her champions,
    and there were several strong contenders who missed the cut (Sigourney Weaver,
    Alison Elliott, Maggie Smith, Sarah Polley, Bridget Fonda). Early in the
    season, few could have realistically expected Razzie nominee Kim Basinger to win for a role
    that, at least on paper, is nothing more than “prostitute who models herself on
    Veronica Lake and gets involved with two cops” – it hardly screams Oscar. That’s
    also why I feel some have dismissed Leigh a bit too quickly after reading a
    leaked script draft where her role is underwritten. (And while we’re on
    underwritten roles that made the cut in Supporting Actress, don’t get me
    started on Jacki Weaver in Silver Linings
    Playbook
    or Laura Dern in Wild!)

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    Macbeth
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    Sadly…nope. 

    I’ve read the script, and it is a showy character, but she is also very irritating and might get on the nerves of voters. Tarantino only got wins for Christoph Waltz, and I can only account for his first one, because I’m still working on his second win. Waltz, in IB, was wonderfully charming and a fantastic villain. JJL is similarly despicable, but she isn’t nearly as fun. Every single one of her lines is populated with racism and swearing, so there’s that. I think she could get the nomination if one of the current top five (Mara, Page, Ladd, Winslet and Rosselini) fail. But a win is truly wishful thinking. 

    I’m not going to spoil anything, but I promise you, she’s not the only woman in the cast. I can’t say anything more about that, unfortunately.  

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    MarquisWarren
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    I haven’t seen anything posted on GD about last week’s test screening of The Hateful Eight at the Arclight. Apparently it went over very well with the first audience, which bodes well for both JJL and the film itself:
    https://twitter.com/TheFilmStage/status/645226333962833920

    I’m surprised to hear Leigh has the second biggest role in a 3+ hour film, and it makes me think she should be considered a lot more seriously (even more so after early Supporting hopefuls like Ellen Page, Elizabeth Olsen and Helena Bonham Carter’s films disappointed at Toronto or Telluride). This is from a Reddit poster who attended the screening:

    [–]FeastYourEarTongues 1 point 5 hours ago 
    I’m saying she’s second after Sam J. You could make the argument she’s number
    one, because (in my opinion) along with the screentime she gets the most
    important character.
     


    [–]FeastYourEarTongues 1 point 19 minutes ago 
    She is so good at playing a loathsome villain that the audience cheered
    whenever anything happened to her even though she was a defenseless tiny woman
    up against a bunch of scary dudes.


    She is a bad guy who has a ball with her own cruelty, and the audience goes
    from laughing along with her to hating her to at times even rooting for her
    before being reminded how rotten she is.

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