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  • ENGLAND
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    No. Denzel, Octavia and Hong Chau will get nominations.

    But Hong Chau doesn’t matter. She wont be the “right” color according to the people who will make most noise.

    The people that “make noise” has always for for equal rights, and everyone gets rewarded for it. I truly doubt Dev Patel would have been a nominee last year, no matter how good he was. Without blacks fighting for equal rights in America, there would have never been a change Funny how people point fingers at blacks, but when changes are made, people complain about them. For years, these award shows have ignored talented black performers, and it about time changes were made. Explain to me how successful shows like Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Martin, New York Undercover etc.. never received any nominations, but yet they honored shows like Kelsey Grammar, Ted Danson, and Michael J Fox are Emmy winners. They dont have half of the comedic talents of Martin Lawrence or Will Smith, but yet their asses was kissed by the TV Academy.

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    OnTheAisle
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    The reviews for Roman Israel, thus far at least, have been dreadful. If that holds with future notices, it’ll tank at the box office and Washington won’t be a factor at all in Best Actor.

    THIS, plus don’t forget many of the reviews have specifically criticized Denzel’s performance as one of the worst aspects of the film.

    The Hollywood Reporter review reads, “Just for starters, there’s a typically studied, finely calibrated performance from Washington . . . ”

    The Variety review reads, “Roman is a fantastic character, and Washington’s high-wire performance is one of his most daring and compelling.”

    The Indiewire review reads, “Washington injects Roman with a kind of pathos that shows a gentler side to the actor than his usual domineering performances.”

    The Globe and Mail review reads, “For the title role in Roman J. Israel, Esq., Denzel Washington grew an unfashionable ’fro and went pear-shaped by packing on the pounds. The look ain’t good, but Washington absolutely is.”

    If he makes the Best Actor Oscar ballot, Washington will not be the first to be nominated for a celebrated performance in a disappointing movie.

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    Maxwell
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    I really don’t understand where this “the film is a critical flop” perception came from. It certainly underperformed at TIFF; I remember when it was touted as a possible Best Picture nominee and Denzel was everyone’s two or three. And sure, I guess it’s rotten on RT, if you take any stock in RT. But he has undeniably great personal reviews and the film has undeniably workable reviews. Denzel can absolutely happen in a year where there are four sure things and a wasteland beyond.

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    Klumim Wharf
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    Are there no African American contenders?

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    distain
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    THIS, plus don’t forget many of the reviews have specifically criticized Denzel’s performance as one of the worst aspects of the film.

    “Many Of The Reviews”.

    Stop LYING!

    He’s got as many negative performance reviews as the frontrunner, Gary Oldman (ie NOT many).

    If there were ‘Many Reviews” calling Denzel’s performance the worst part of Roman Israel, all you Liar McLiars would be posting all these “many reviews”. Instead of this bullsh/t whisper campaign about poor reviews. Some dude posted ONE negative review of Denzel to counter the 10 or so raves I’ve posted. Of the the 25 + reviews for Roman Isreal, Esq out there, I’ve found TWO negative reviews for Denzel’s performance. Basically, the same ratio of positive to negative performance reviews as Gary Oldman for Darkest Hour. I guess Gary Oldman is no longer the frontrunner, because one or two reviews said he wasn’t good.

    What happened is that some people here got excited by the negative Twitter critiques of Denzel’s performance from the first screening, and were jumping for joy. Then the real reviews came and it was rave after rave after rave for Denzel, annd those “mixed” twitter critiques never really materialised in most of the real reviews. Disappointng for some I know, but no need to keep lying.

    The lesson to be learned here is don’t trust Twitter.

    I’ve almost never seen a situation this desperate, where a contender has gotten like 97% rave reviews, and people are clinging on for dear life to the 3% that didn’t like the contender to justify lying and exaggerating about the reception. It’s genuinely pathetic. But it shows the level of fear Denzel instills in people. They know he always gets pretty much great reviews, so even ONE negative review is seen as a cause for celebration.

    If people who want to deny Denzel’s odds of being nominated just stuck to the “movie is disappointing or getting mixed reviews” schtick, then I’d probably find that acceptable. But outright lying about the nature and quality of his own personal performance reviews confirms how much blatant racism is on this forum, imho.

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    distain
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    I really don’t understand where this “the film is a critical flop” perception came from. It certainly underperformed at TIFF; I remember when it was touted as a possible Best Picture nominee and Denzel was everyone’s two or three. And sure, I guess it’s rotten on RT, if you take any stock in RT. But he has undeniably great personal reviews and the film has undeniably workable reviews. Denzel can absolutely happen in a year where there are four sure things and a wasteland beyond.

    Yeah, you’d think Roman Isreal, Esq was on course to dominate the Razzies this year the way some are talking. It’s not a Best Pic contender, but the reviews are solid enough to yield acting nods, when his personal reviews are that strong.

    Like I said, people are fully aware of the threat Denzel (still) represents and will exaggerate (or lie about) absolutely everything to create the perception that he’s out of the race.

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    distain
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    THIS, plus don’t forget many of the reviews have specifically criticized Denzel’s performance as one of the worst aspects of the film.

    “Many Of The Reviews”.

    Stop LYING!

    He’s got as many negative performance reviews as the frontrunner, Gary Oldman (ie NOT many).

    If there were ‘Many Reviews” calling Denzel’s performance the worst part of Roman Israel, all you Liar McLiars would be posting all these “many reviews”. Instead of this bullsh/t whisper campaign about poor reviews. Some dude posted ONE negative review of Denzel to counter the 10 or so raves I’ve posted. Of the the 25 + reviews for Roman Isreal, Esq out there, I’ve found TWO negative reviews for Denzel’s performance. Basically, the same ratio of positive to negative performance reviews as Gary Oldman for Darkest Hour. I guess Gary Oldman is no longer the frontrunner, because one or two reviews said he wasn’t good.

    What happened is that some people here got excited by the negative Twitter critiques of Denzel’s performance from the first screening, and were jumping for joy. Then the real reviews came and it was rave after rave after rave for Denzel, annd those “mixed” twitter critiques never really materialised in most of the real reviews. Disappointng for some I know, but no need to keep lying.

    The lesson to be learned here is don’t trust Twitter.

    I’ve almost never seen a situation this desperate, where a contender has gotten like 97% rave reviews, and people are clinging on for dear life to the 3% that didn’t like the contender to justify lying and exaggerating about the reception. It’s genuinely pathetic. But it shows the level of fear Denzel instills in people. They know he always gets pretty much great reviews, so even ONE negative review is seen as a cause for celebration.

    If people who want to deny Denzel’s odds of being nominated just stuck to the “movie is disappointing or getting mixed reviews” schtick, then I’d probably find that acceptable. But outright lying about the nature and quality of his own personal performance reviews confirms how much blatant racism is on this forum, imho.

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    Xtina
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    Honey, this is why I don’t fuck with the White People’s Awards a.k.a. the Oscars. You mean to tell me only one black woman won Best Actress in like 90 years. Get the fuck out of here!

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    Eddy Q
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    Vocal talent WTF?!?! I suppose you also think nails on a chalkboard sounds like “Vocal talent!” Her screeching is great IF you’re a total masochist, but for anyone else it sounds like a joke some Youtube troll screwing around with ear-bleeding obnoxious sounds would come up with to piss people off. The Song nomination over “See You Again” makes it easily and obviously one of the most undeserving Oscar nominations of the past decade in ANY category. ????

    Gtfo, you have absolutely no clue about singing, specifically opera singing. The amount of training it takes to sing like Sumi Jo is insurmountable for most people. When she was younger, she was singing high coloratura roles such as The Queen of the Night in Mozart’s The Magic Flute and the fiendishly difficult comic role of Zerbinetta in Richard Strauss’s Ariadne auf Naxos. You may not like her voice, but roles like these require vocal range, technique and virtuosity beyond most singer’s wildest imaginings. This much is indisputable. Also bear in mind you are talking to someone who has learned violin since I was four and been trained at major music academies since the age of 11. I’ve been surrounded by music my entire life. You are embarrassing yourself.

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    Honey, this is why I don’t fuck with the White People’s Awards a.k.a. the Oscars. You mean to tell me only one black woman won Best Actress in like 90 years. Get the fuck out of here!

    Systemic racism is most apparent in that category for that very reason.

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    jacob121
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    Denzel is far from a sure thing and also far from out of the race. Why does everything have to be so cut and dry on these forums?

    Personally I have him around number 8 but it wouldn’t shock me if he started to build momentum.

    The general feeling of disappointment around the film was more focused on the fact that this was the followup to Nightcrawler so expectations were high and the movie, as a whole, clearly underwhelmed.

    On another note, people need to let the Mary J. Blige thing go. Netflix is not happening this year.

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    Alberto Dlano-Cox
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    In my opinion, the 2 frontrunners for Best Original Screenplay are Get Out (written by a black man Jordan Peele) and The Shape of Water (<span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>written by a Mexican man Guillermo Del Toro</span> and a woman Vanessa Taylor) so that category in particular ought to be very representative of genuinely deserving talent who aren’t white men.

    Ok, I want to clarify something that US people tend to get wrong about we Latinos, and it’s a confusion that unwittingly fosters the problems with representation we have south of the border: Latino (or Hispanic, but in LATAM we like Latino better) is not a race, is a culture. A diverse culture characterized precisely by a mixture of cultural heritages and races, but not a race.

    Guillermo Del Toro is NOT  a man of color, not by any standards and he would be the first one to mention it. He is a white Mexican/Latin American, and we white Latinos are not in the same position of disadvantage as the majority of Latinos, whether mestizo, black, First Nations, etc., are. For that matter, we sometimes enjoy even more privileges, now and historically, than US white people. And this also includes Latinos who have strong Arabic, North African, Basque or Southern Spaniard heritage or “appearance”, like Salma Hayek or Alejandro González Iñarritu. Again, this is something Del Toro would make clear. This also applies

    Class and race inequality is even more pronounced in Latin America, and usually those deemed in the US as “racially Latinos” are but very well tanned white people. Ironically, Latin women of colour like Gina Rodríguez or America Ferrera wouldn’t have found leading roles or success in Latin American TV. More importantly, I’ve noticed many white Latinos trying to avoid facing the issue of their own privilege under the argument that “gringos think we’re all sudacas (“wetbacks”)”. Let’s not feed that ignorance.

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    distain
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    THIS, plus don’t forget many of the reviews have specifically criticized Denzel’s performance as one of the worst aspects of the film.

    Fake News!!!!

    Denzel has as many negative reviews for his performance as the current frontrunner, Gary Oldman (ie, not many).

    You couldn’t currently find 5 reviews from legitimate sources claiming Denzel’s performance is one of the worst aspects of Roman Israel, Esq, because they don’t exist. And there are probably 25+ legit reviews out at the moment. Like Oldman, Denzel has like 95% raves.

    I don’t really understand why people tell such blatant lies and don’t think people will call them out. This is the internet. It’s easy to find actual evidence.

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    Ok, I want to clarify something that US people tend to get wrong about we Latinos, and it’s a confusion that unwittingly fosters the problems with representation we have south of the border: Latino (or Hispanic, but in LATAM we like Latino better) is not a race, is a culture. A diverse culture characterized precisely by a mixture of cultural heritages and races, but not a race.

    Guillermo Del Toro is NOT a man of color, not by any standards and he would be the first one to mention it. He is a white Mexican/Latin American, and we white Latinos are not in the same position of disadvantage as the majority of Latinos, whether mestizo, black, First Nations, etc., are. For that matter, we sometimes enjoy even more privileges, now and historically, than US white people. And this also includes Latinos who have strong Arabic, North African, Basque or Southern Spaniard heritage or “appearance”, like Salma Hayek or Alejandro González Iñarritu. Again, this is something Del Toro would make clear. This also applies

    Class and race inequality is even more pronounced in Latin America, and usually those deemed in the US as “racially Latinos” are but very well tanned white people. Ironically, Latin women of colour like Gina Rodríguez or America Ferrera wouldn’t have found leading roles or success in Latin American TV. More importantly, I’ve noticed many white Latinos trying to avoid facing the issue of their own privilege under the argument that “gringos think we’re all sudacas (“wetbacks”)”. Let’s not feed that ignorance.

    Whiteness defined by the American racial caste system is based on physical appearance. Other attributes include the ethnicity of your name, speaking with any kind of foreign accent, will dilute and deny Hispanics from access to complete US domestic whiteness. Hence the inclusion of all Latinos who qualify for the conversation on diversity.

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    Roman J Israel is a genuinely terrible film. Totally incoherent mess that feels like 3 different movies have been stitched together in the edit. Denzel is fine but you never once once forget that he’s ACTING!!! Actor is a wasteland though so it’s not out of the question he gets nommed but the film itself is a disaster.

    Spencer does absolutely nothing to deserve a nomination. She’s gives her patented ‘Octavia Spencer’ performance that we’ve seen countless times before. She may make it on name recognition.

    Everyone is Mudbound is fantastic but it’s Hedland that deserves the awards consideration over Mitchell. Mary J has little to do and is certainly not the stand out in the cast. I suspect Netflix’s attitude will scupper the awards attention that the film deserves.

    Hong Chau should definitely be in as she is far and away the best thing about Downsizing. The role itself may come across as problematic to some but hopefully she can overcome that. Will ultimately depend of the reception the film as a whole gets. A nomination would be well deserved.

    I quite like Kaluuya’s chances. I have a feeling Get Out is going to be a bigger threat that most are anticipating. With Actor being so weak and the Academy surely aware of the possibility of another #OscarsSoWhite conflama he seems like a creditable solution.

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