Would Philip Seymour Hoffman have won for “The Master” this year?

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  • Tariq Khan
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    If “The Master” had been released in 2013 and Philip Seymour Hoffman was a current nominee for Best Supporting Actor, would he win over Jared Leto in “Dallas Buyers Club?” (I’m guessing that he would have taken the slot held by Jonah Hill in “The Wolf of Wall Street.”) 

    Barkhad Abdi, “Captain Phillips”
    Bradley Cooper, “American Hustle”
    Michael Fassbender, “12 Years a Slave”
    Philip Seymour Hoffman, “The Master”
    Jared Leto, “Dallas Buyers Club”

    Or suppose that Hoffman’s death had come exactly one year ago, in the midst of that very competitive Supporting Actor race. Might Hoffman have pulled off an upset over Christoph Waltz in “Django Unchained?”

    Alan Arkin, “Argo”
    Robert De Niro, “Silver Linings Playbook”
    Philip Seymour Hoffman, “The Master”
    Tommy Lee Jones, “Lincoln”
    Christoph Waltz, “Django Unchained”          
                  

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    nkb325
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    This year I don’t think so, Jared Leto has just been such a frontrunner for basically the whole season, so I feel like Hoffman unfortunately passing away, especially this late in the season and having already won, probably wouldn’t have made a difference

    HOWEVER last year I think he definitely may have. That race was SO CLOSE like going into the ceremony i honestly could have seen ANY od the five winning and I wouldn’t have been that surprised. It was like a dead heat and honestly voters were probably just looking for a reason to vote for one of these people over the other four, so I’m not sure about it but I’m going to go out on a limb and say Hoffman would have won 

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    Beau S.
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    He would have Abdi’s slot (Hill’s nomination was clearly passion-driven which is why I think he’d still get it, and Captain Phillips underperformed overall).

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    think the overwhelming critical and televised support of Jared Leto
    would have allowed him to still win, but it wouldn’t be the landslide
    that he’s going to end up winning in.

    If this were last year he
    would have definitely won. The category had no clear frontrunner (though
    Waltz did win the most televised precursors) and Hoffman did win the
    (albeit meaningless) BFCA award for that performance, so it wouldn’t
    look like the win came out of nowhere. His death would have been the
    x-factor that tipped that race.

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    Bill Buchanan
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    You know what…? I truly don’t care if he’d have won this year or if he’d died one year ago. I was there one year ago. I saw his performance in The Master. All that matters to me is the fact that he SHOULD have won, hands down last year. Many thought, many wrote about it, many predicted this category and then issued the rebuttal “Hoffman should win, of course, but…”. I was one of them. He was better than Jones, who I loved, better than Waltz, certainly better than DeNiro or Arkin and in my opinion better than any other Supporting Actor last year.

    It was a towering performance and he should have won for it. One of the Greatest Actors of our time. AMPAS ignored him when they got the chance and shame on them.

    I’ve seen 4/5 nominees this year, and although there is some really strong work, Hoffman would still win. He’d win most years for that performance, and to think he gave many others that were just as good as that is astonishing.

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    CanadianFan
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    Yeah, Hoffman would have taken Abdi’s spot.

    If he was still alive, Leto would probably win. If not, I think he would become a posthumous winner for either year. It’s just such a powerful role, and it’s a lead performance which doesn’t hurt. 

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    Stardust
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    You know what…? I truly don’t care if he’d have won this year or if he’d died one year ago. I was there one year ago. I saw his performance in The Master. All that matters to me is the fact that he SHOULD have won, hands down last year. Many thought, many wrote about it, many predicted this category and then issued the rebuttal “Hoffman should win, of course, but…”. I was one of them. He was better than Jones, who I loved, better than Waltz, certainly better than DeNiro or Arkin and in my opinion better than any other Supporting Actor last year.

    It was a towering performance and he should have won for it. One of the Greatest Actors of our time. AMPAS ignored him when they got the chance and shame on them.

    I’ve seen 4/5 nominees this year, and although there is some really strong work, Hoffman would still win. He’d win most years for that performance, and to think he gave many others that were just as good as that is astonishing.

    Completely agree.

    He was far away the best in the category last year. Leto isn’t overdue and there’s no titan in his category. He would very likely win this year. Ugh, I was so rooting for him last year. RIP 🙁

    Not to be snarky, but the idea that Waltz has 2 Oscars for very similar performances, and wining his second over this……. 

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    Atypical
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    With the voting period changed this year, I think that Hoffman might have been the only one to trip up Leto’s winning streak toward Oscar. Last year was such a toss-up category, though it would have still been five previous winners nominated, so why not Hoffman if this had happened then too. I think he could have won out for “The Master” both years given these unfortunate circumstances.

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    Gabriel
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    He should have won last year over Waltz’s nothing-special performance in Django.

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    ETPhoneHome
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    He would have won last year for sure, but this year I doubt it. Overall the Master under performed, with three actors but nothing else. At this point in the race, he would only be able to get the BAFTA, and that wouldn’t be enough precursor attention compared to Leto.

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    endaugust
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    IDK, he might win because of sympathy, but “The Master” was a very divisive film, this or last year.

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    GermanGuidanceSystem
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    I loved PSH, Pheonix and Adams in The Master. I thought they were all phenomenal and I was mesmerised by Pheonix. Yet, I can’t say I enjoyed the film. I felt detached from the experience. 

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    Alijah Purdy
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    It’s hard to tell. In my personal opinion, the person that won last year should not have even been nominated in this category, as it was clearly a Lead role (again, my personal opinion).

    However, going into the ceremony last year, Hoffman wasn’t even considered that serious of a contender. I remember many people on this site having Robert De Niro, Tommy Lee Jones, and Christoph Waltz in the Top 3, followed by Hoffman in 4th and Arkin last. I predicted De Niro to take the win, followed by Waltz and then Jones. But it was a close race between De Niro, Jones, and Waltz.

    Would Hoffman’s death have made a difference in that race? Again, it’s hard to say. I think, ultimately, it may have, but we will never know. And, no, he would not have won this year. Jared Leto would have still won this year. I think the nominees would have been Barkhad Abdi, Michael Fassbender, Jonah Hill, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Jared Leto. I still think he would have came in 3rd, behind Leto and Fassbender.      

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    AnneBoleyn
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    What if McConaughey had died? Or DiCaprio? Which death would be more voter-friendly – a drug overdose or a plane crash? If both McConaughey and DiCaprio died in plane crashes, and the plane McConaughey was in also had a school class with very pretty little girls, would that benefit McConaughey? And if his children…
      I think “what if he died!?”-threads are bloody tasteless. 
       

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    Riley
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    Unquestionably.

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    Denis
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    I don’t think anybody could stop a win for Leto, not last year or the year before. But I could easily see him taking Fassbender’s spot this year.

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