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    Somehow I just now discovered that Maroon 5 won Best New Artist in 2005. My question is HOW? wasn’t “songs about jane’ released in like 2002? So how is it that they were nominated BNA four years after their debut album?

    I am very confused, don’t you have to be um, a NEW artist to win BNA? I realize the rules for BNA are ever-changing and often make little sense, but how in the world did this happen?

    Of course, I’m talking only in terms of the technical rules of Grammy and am not making any comment on the quality of their music, which I happen to like very much.

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    iskolar
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    But more than Maroon 5, I’d first question Shelby Lynne who mentioned she was on her sixth album already when she won the Grammy BNA.

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    Gucci
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    Here is what the Best New Artist rule states:

    “For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist.”  (Note that this is not necessarily the first album released by an artist.)

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    Boidiva02
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    Here is what the Best New Artist rule states:

    “For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist.”  (Note that this is not necessarily the first album released by an artist.)

    In the case of Maroon 5, “This Love” was such a MASSIVE hit, I can’t understand how that wouldn’t be the one that would “establish the public identity” of them. I guess it’s just a Grammy oddity?

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    Andresg770
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    [quote=”Gucci”]Here is what the Best New Artist rule states:

    “For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist.”  (Note that this is not necessarily the first album released by an artist.)

    In the case of Maroon 5, “This Love” was such a MASSIVE hit, I can’t understand how that wouldn’t be the one that would “establish the public identity” of them. I guess it’s just a Grammy oddity?[/quote]

    “This Love” was released on January 27, 2004, though,  so that’s right in the 2005 Grammys eligibility period (right?).  Oddly, though, “This Love” won Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocals… in 2006.  “She Will Be Loved” was their nominated song in 2005 (same category). In conclusion, I have no idea how this worked…

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Their win for This Love was for a live version of the song from Live Friday the 13th not from Songs About Jane.

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    Emmyfan
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    The Grammys should retroactively award the Best New Artist Award to Whitney Houston for the 1986 Grammys.

    On a side note, I was surprised that Eminem and Paula Abdul were not nominated for Best New Artist.

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    Boidiva02
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    I didn’t realize they waited almost two years to release a second single from “Songs about Jane”, that all but explains it! 

    I guess “Harder to Breathe” wasn’t a big hit?    I always thought “This Love” was their first single!

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    Boidiva02
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    The Grammys should retroactively award the Best New Artist Award to Whitney Houston for the 1986 Grammys.

    On a side note, I was surprised that Eminem and Paula Abdul were not nominated for Best New Artist.

    I don’t think either were taken very seriously when they first came out. Eminem didn’t gain much critical cred until his second album.

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Paula Abdul, like Madonna, would’ve been nominated for a whole lot of Grammys today, but back in the 80’s it wasn’t as easy.

    As for Eminem not having critical cred until his second album…

    His first album sold 1000 copies and obviously was very far form Grammy’s radar in 1996-1997. He released his second album, The Slim Shady LP, the one that would’ve been considered for Best New Artist, in 1999 and won Rap Album and Rap Solo. Who knows why he didn’t get in for New Artist, but he could’ve replaced Susan Tedeschi. Maybe it’s just one of those situations were a big artist (which he was already) doesn’t get into the category, it happens all the time.

    He exploded with the second album, but he did have enough critical cred or at least sales to earn a nomination

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    I didn’t realize they waited almost two years to release a second single from “Songs about Jane”, that all but explains it! 

    I guess “Harder to Breathe” wasn’t a big hit?    I always thought “This Love” was their first single!

    I think it was (peaked at #18) on the Hot 100.  I don’t know much about the Billboard charts, but if the VH1 Top 20 was any indicator at the time, it was one of those that stalled at first and then slowly but deliberately rose to success.  On the VH1 countdown, for instance, “Harder to Breathe” debuted in June 2003 (though I think it was on rotation for a lot longer than that), remained in the bottom half of the countdown until August, reached #1 in October, and exited in November.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the label just kept holding off on the release of “This Love” while “Harder to Breathe” was still rising in popularity and in the charts.  My question is, though, does anybody know if “Harder to Breathe” was submitted for the 2003 Grammys??  And if so, would that have made Maroon 5 ineligible for BNA at the 2004 Grammys (since they hadn’t released any singles since)??  (I’m really not that knowledgeable on how Grammy rules work)

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    Why Kanye West didn’t win that award is a bigger question, since he was nominated for Album of the Year also …

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