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Album of the Year
25 - Adele
Lemonade - Beyoncé
Purpose - Justin Bieber
Views - Drake
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  • camman
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    21, overall, had more successful singles than 25. Hello was massive, but 21 was hit after hit.

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    Yeah, but Fearless and 1989 both had their own successes, just like 21 and 25. Let’s look at 25 as its own entity vs. the competition this year.

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    I think Adele’s 25 might win because of her huge commercial success. Beyoncé’s album has a lot of producers and writers and commercially hasn’t done that well, none of her 5 singles reached top 10 except for one. So I am going to go with Adele.

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    I think Adele’s 25 might win because of her huge commercial success. Beyoncé’s album has a lot of producers and writers and commercially hasn’t done that well, none of her 5 singles reached top 10 except for one. So I am going to go with Adele.

    ???
    Bey’s album is one of four this year to SELL over a million copies and is the highest selling album released in 2016 worldwide. The album made history when it became her sixth consecutive number one debut album AND it garnered 100 million streams from TIDAL alone in it’s first week. The album was also able to launch a song that had previously been available for free (with an unlisted video at that) to a top ten debut with no radio support at the time. I can go on, but I’m not sure where you’re getting this “commercially, it didn’t do very well” mess from. Keep in my mind this is 20 years into her career in the era of transition into the streaming age.

    Of her five “singles” only three of them got standalone videos that all premiered months after the songs peaked on radio, the songs also were never actively pushed to TOP 40 radio (where the big audience is) by the label AND they were only available to stream on TIDAL. Keep in my mind despite all this she still garnered 8 top 40 hits from the album.

    Lastly, the majority of writer and producers credited are from samples. “Hold Up” alone samples about 3-4 songs and for example, there are songs like “6 Inch” that give credit to songs that simply have similar sounding lyrics even i it’s not a direct sample. On the flip side Bey is the executive producer of her album, while Adele is not. Bey has a song on the record that she produced completely by herself (Daddy Lessons) while Adele is not credited as a producer on any of the tracks on her album. Lastly, Bey is credited as a writer on all of her songs on the album just like Adele and neither of their albums feature a song they wrote completely by themselves (in terms of writing credits).

    In terms of acclaim, 25 placed #18 on its year end aggregate list, topping only 2 lists, whereas Lemonade places at #2 on its year end aggregate list (behind Bowie; Lemonade is the highest placing AOTY nominee) and topping a whopping 18 lists.

    When you factor in success + legacy + acclaim + cultural impact + and overally quality, a Bey win should be a no-brainer… but who knows.

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    Lemonade has just as much official credits on the Grammy site as 25, Purpose and Views lmfao, so that writers/producers argument is kinda null and void. And lol at the commercial success part. Purpose, Views and Lemonade all sold 1.5-1.7M in the US. Simpson is far below while Adele is far above, that’s it.

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    camman
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    Yeah, but Fearless and 1989 both had their own successes, just like 21 and 25. Let’s look at 25 as its own entity vs. the competition this year.

    I didn’t know you decide what we can and can’t discuss. Try holding yourself to that standard first.

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    Yeah, but Fearless and 1989 both had their own successes, just like 21 and 25. Let’s look at 25 as its own entity vs. the competition this year.

    I didn’t know you decide what we can and can’t discuss. Try holding yourself to that standard first.

    Gucci is absolutely right You posters are so up your own asses. It’s called a discussion or debate. I’m making a suggestion to compare what’s going on currently, so you don’t wind up hurt and upset when or if your precious favorites do not win. No one’s trying to challenge your (useless) opinions and no one is trying to dictate what you can say. Y’all really need to get the fuck over yourselves with thinking strangers are trying to influence your thoughts.

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    camman
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    My post was two sentences boo, you’re the one blowing up.

    Anyway, the race is clearly between Bey and Adele, Sturgill is nowhere near the award.

    Should win: Beyonce

    Will win: Beyonce or Adele, probably Bey for reasons I’ve already stated but won’t state again because the wasps are SWARMING

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    Two sentences or ten, the fact that you think I give enough damn about you or any of these posters’ opinions to want to “dictate” is laughable.

    Adele losing wouldn’t upset anyone predicting her, but I’m sure you Beyonce supporters and stans will cry foul/racism if/when Beyonce loses. Get over yourself.

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    Lemonade has just as much official credits on the Grammy site as 25, Purpose and Views lmfao, so that writers/producers argument is kinda null and void. And lol at the commercial success part. Purpose, Views and Lemonade all sold 1.5-1.7M in the US. Simpson is far below while Adele is far above, that’s it.

    25 has 14 individuals credited as either producer or songwriter (mastering does not hold much weight in this argument). Lemonade has 70 individuals credited as either producer or songwriter (not including mastering or repeat credits, and does include sampling credits which DOES hold weight in this argument). 25 has maximum 4 individuals working on a single track. With, Lemonade, around 18 individuals were credited for working on a single track.

    I don’t think the number of individuals working on an album takes away from that album’s artistry, but I do think it could weaken Lemonade’s chances of winning judging from the fact that NARAS tends to avoid awarding albums with multiple people attached to it as can be seen from the past.

    In my opinion, the commercial success part of the argument is not too far in Adele’s favour as I agree with the above posters that Lemonade is among the top 5 most successful albums this year. Despite 25 being more successful in that regard nearly 8 times more, Lemonade’s not coming from nowhere like Sturgill’s album is. Lemonade is also commercially successful, maybe not as much as 25, but it is.

    I also don’t think Beyonce will follow the pattern of three AOY losses like Eminem, Mariah Carey, Lady Gaga, etc. Because Beyonce is far more celebrated than any of said artists. She has the critical success that Mariah was lacking in her career, the longevity lacking in Gaga’s, and has had far more impact in culture and mainstream music than Eminem. And yes, Beyonce’s work IS far more acclaimed than Mariah’s body of work as a whole. MC’s most acclaimed album is Daydream, but that doesn’t hold a candle to the way Self-Titled and Lemonade were acclaimed. Beyonce is a legend, so are Eminem and Mariah Carey but I think Beyonce is more of a legend (Lady Gaga is more of a fad).

    I think Beyonce is winning this for the acclaim and commercial success garnered by Lemonade and for Beyonce’s career in general, as the overdue factor will also work in her favour, imo.

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    Two sentences or ten, the fact that you think I give enough damn about you or any of these posters’ opinions to want to “dictate.” Adele losing wouldn’t upset anyone predicting her, but I’m sure you Beyonce supporters and stans will cry foul if/when Beyonce loses. Get over yourself.

    Bitch, as I’ve said multiple times, I wouldn’t be upset with an Adele win. Go read my posts and see for yourself. I fucking hate snobby idiots like you.

    I don’t think the number of individuals working on an album takes away from that album’s artistry, but I do think it could weaken Lemonade’s chances of winning judging from the fact that NARAS tends to avoid awarding albums with multiple people attached to it as can be seen from the past.

    This is exactly what i was thinking. Obviously I don’t care about the number of people working on an album, but a lot of people do. NARAS likes to limit the amount of people getting the trophy as much as possible.

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    Lemonade will be the AOTY due to its massive acclaim, but urban albums with massive acclaim have failed before. If Bey loses again, it’s because she didn’t have a “Hey Ya” or “Doo Wop,” songs that everybody knows and loves. And no, “Formation” isn’t that.

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    Lemonade has just as much official credits on the Grammy site as 25, Purpose and Views lmfao, so that writers/producers argument is kinda null and void. And lol at the commercial success part. Purpose, Views and Lemonade all sold 1.5-1.7M in the US. Simpson is far below while Adele is far above, that’s it.

    25 has 14 individuals credited as either producer or songwriter (mastering does not hold much weight in this argument). Lemonade has 70 individuals credited as either producer or songwriter (not including mastering or repeat credits, and does include sampling credits which DOES hold weight in this argument). 25 has maximum 4 individuals working on a single track. With, Lemonade, around 18 individuals were credited for working on a single track. I don’t think the number of individuals working on an album takes away from that album’s artistry, but I do think it could weaken Lemonade’s chances of winning judging from the fact that NARAS tends to avoid awarding albums with multiple people attached to it as can be seen from the past. In my opinion, the commercial success part of the argument is not too far in Adele’s favour as I agree with the above posters that Lemonade is among the top 5 most successful albums this year. Despite 25 being more successful in that regard nearly 8 times more, Lemonade’s not coming from nowhere like Sturgill’s album is. Lemonade is also commercially successful, maybe not as much as 25, but it is. I also don’t think Beyonce will follow the pattern of three AOY losses like Eminem, Mariah Carey, Lady Gaga, etc. Because Beyonce is far more celebrated than any of said artists. She has the critical success that Mariah was lacking in her career, the longevity lacking in Gaga’s, and has had far more impact in culture and mainstream music than Eminem. And yes, Beyonce’s work IS far more acclaimed than Mariah’s body of work as a whole. MC’s most acclaimed album is Daydream, but that doesn’t hold a candle to the way Self-Titled and Lemonade were acclaimed. Beyonce is a legend, so are Eminem and Mariah Carey but I think Beyonce is more of a legend (Lady Gaga is more of a fad). I think Beyonce is winning this for the acclaim and commercial success garnered by Lemonade and for Beyonce’s career in general, as the overdue factor will also work in her favour, imo.

    No, 25 has a total of 31 producers + writers listed on the Grammy site (meaning that this is what they’ll acknowledge) while Lemonade has 35, hardly that much of a difference.  Lemonade heavily relied on samples but these are not counted by the Grammys, that’s why artists like André 3000, Soulja Boy, Andy Williams, Led Zeppelin etc aren’t listed despite appearing on the album’s official credits.

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    The number of producers, engineers and mixers (writers are not counted) is irrelevant, unless we want to consider Sturgill Simpson as the frontrunner.

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    NARAS can always reward Beyoncé with an AOTY win for a future album. I don’t get a sense of urgency to reward her now. If Lemonade had sold more and produced a real hit, then its chances would have been bolstered.

    If you’ve not noticed, Beyonce’s moving away from your traditional pop music you play on the radio, she moving into setting the standard and the bluprint hopefully for the flop mediocre artists could follow one day!  And the “urgency ” of Lemonade winning album of the year, is the cultural impact it has had on pop and American culture as a whole, Lemonade talked about about black women experience in this country, which is something isn’t talk about  im the mainstream!

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