Best Rap/Sung rule change ??

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  • Music Forever
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    #393016

    Has anyone noticed that according to the submissions posted all the Rap/Sung entries are rappers feat singers ? Usually a song like “Without Me,” “Blurred Lines” or “Suit & Tie” would be submitted. Something tells me they changed the rules. So I’m guessing the song has to be “rapper feat singer” or else they”ll throw it to Pop Group or R&B performance depending on the genre of the song.

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    Dynasty86
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    #393018

    Well, that explains it…stupid, stupid change.

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    KaRol
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    #393019

    not really. I Stand Alone by Robert Glasper Experiment ft. Common & Patrick Stump is submitted into Rap/Sung Collaboration & Rap Song. and Glasper isn’t a rapper.

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    joesilver
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    #393020

    Can’t Hold Us is on Pop and Macklemore (the rapper) is the lead act.

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    Music Forever
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    “Can’t Hold Us” is a Pop song IMO.

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    KaRol
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    ”Can’t Hold Us” is a Pop song IMO.

    but it should’ve been submitted into Rap/Sung Collaboration according to your theory “rapper feat. singer” 😉

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    M H
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    IMO the Grammys need to decide if rap is a genre or a type of vocal, because right now they are trying to have it both ways. If it is a genre, then a rap/sung combo is either a pop collaboration or a rap collaboration, with not need to have a separate category. If it is a type of vocal, then any combination of a rapping and singing should go in this category. 

    Right now, it is just a confusing mess. 

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    TonyKuKo
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    I don’t think there was a rule change…. Probably those songs were actually submitted to Pop instead of Rap/Sung… Jay-Z & JT actually make a very smart move by submitting “Suit & Tie” to Pop and “Holy Grail” to Rap/Sung. That way they have chances to score the higher number of possible nods. On the other hand, Macklemore was not that smart. He should have submitted “Same Love” to Pop and “Can’t Hold Us” to Rap/Sung since he’d gotten the chance to get 10 nods… now he’s only contesting for 9 (4 GF + 1 POP + 3 RAP + 1 MV) JT on the other hand might get 10 (3 GF + 3 POP + 2 RAP + 1 R&B + 1 MV)

    Remember Rap/Sung is not about genre at all. It is about a collaboration between a singer and a rapper. so it is actually a more flexible category than Pop… In Pop, you would have need to crossover to be considered ‘pop’

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    #393025

    I forgot to mention

    APPEARENTLY… “Accidental Racist” by Brad Paisley (the singer) featuring LL Cool J (the rapper) was submitted to Rap/Sung.

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    KaRol
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    I forgot to mention

    APPEARENTLY… “Accidental Racist” by Brad Paisley (the singer) featuring LL Cool J (the rapper) was submitted to Rap/Sung.

    not really. it’s in Country Duo/Group. the other collaboration between Paisley & LL Cool J is in Rap/Sung Collaboration, and it’s “Lie For You”.

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    Final2
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    #393027

    I think Rap/Sung sould be a rap song with the course sung. Much like Love the Way You Lie and not like Umbrella. Blurred Lines IMO is a Pop song not a Rap song.

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    TonyKuKo
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    IMO the Grammys need to decide if rap is a genre
    or a type of vocal, because right now they are trying to have it both
    ways. If it is a genre, then a rap/sung combo is either a pop
    collaboration or a rap collaboration, with not need to have a separate
    category. If it is a type of vocal, then any combination of a rapping
    and singing should go in this category. 

    Right now, it is just a confusing mess. 

    GRAMMY
    definitely considers “Rap” as a type of vocal and not a genre. This was
    clarified in 2002 with the introduction of the Best Rap/Sung
    Collaboration.

    Why? Well you guys remember the Best Rap
    Performance by a Duo or Group? Before the Rap/Sung category was created.
    Songs that contained singing in verses and rapping were submitted there
    (i.e. I’ll Be Missing You) this then changed to include songs with
    rapping (and possibly chorus singing) only.

    Yes there’s been
    rapping/singing songs included in the former Best Pop Collaboration
    category (Airplanes, Feel Good Inc.) but at request of the
    artists/labels because they were crossover hits. However if you’re
    thinking of songs like Lady Marmalade, Hips Don’t Lie, or Promiscous.
    Well featuring only one rapping verse was probably not enough to be
    considered for “Rap/Sung”

    At the end Rap is indeed a type of
    vocal. The musical genre would be Hip-Hop and the GRAMMYs have never
    awarded a category under that title.

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    Gucci
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    #393029

    I don’t think the rules to Best Rap/Sung Collaboration have changed.  With a song like “Without Me,” it’s a R&B song at core.  So, I guess the label has the option of either submitting it to R&B or Rap.  Same theory applies to “Blurred Lines” and “Suit & Tie” since they are Pop Songs at core.

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    M H
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    [quote=”MysteriousRent”]IMO the Grammys need to decide if rap is a genre
    or a type of vocal, because right now they are trying to have it both
    ways. If it is a genre, then a rap/sung combo is either a pop
    collaboration or a rap collaboration, with not need to have a separate
    category. If it is a type of vocal, then any combination of a rapping
    and singing should go in this category. 

    Right now, it is just a confusing mess. 

    GRAMMY
    definitely considers “Rap” as a type of vocal and not a genre. This was
    clarified in 2002 with the introduction of the Best Rap/Sung
    Collaboration.

    Why? Well you guys remember the Best Rap
    Performance by a Duo or Group? Before the Rap/Sung category was created.
    Songs that contained singing in verses and rapping were submitted there
    (i.e. I’ll Be Missing You) this then changed to include songs with
    rapping (and possibly chorus singing) only.

    Yes there’s been
    rapping/singing songs included in the former Best Pop Collaboration
    category (Airplanes, Feel Good Inc.) but at request of the
    artists/labels because they were crossover hits. However if you’re
    thinking of songs like Lady Marmalade, Hips Don’t Lie, or Promiscous.
    Well featuring only one rapping verse was probably not enough to be
    considered for “Rap/Sung”

    At the end Rap is indeed a type of
    vocal. The musical genre would be Hip-Hop and the GRAMMYs have never
    awarded a category under that title.[/quote]

    But then it is not just a type of vocal, because if it was it wouldn’t matter what genre the songs were. Any rap/sung collaboration should be in rap sung. Period. By comparing it to pop and putting pop songs in that category despite being rap/sung collaborations, NARAS is saying that songs like “Blurred Lines” don’t belong in rap BECAUSE OF GENRE.

    To me, it seems like trying to have your ckae and eat it too.

    I would like to see every rap/sung collaboration put here or have the category discontinued and every track put into a genre as a duo/collab.  

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    TonyKuKo
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    But then it is not just a type of vocal, because if it was it wouldn’t matter what genre the songs were. Any rap/sung collaboration should be in rap sung. Period. By comparing it to pop and putting pop songs in that category despite being rap/sung collaborations, NARAS is saying that songs like “Blurred Lines” don’t belong in rap BECAUSE OF GENRE.

    To me, it seems like trying to have your ckae and eat it too.

    I would like to see every rap/sung collaboration put here or have the category discontinued and every track put into a genre as a duo/collab.  

    Cheez! If you had read my previous post you wouldn’t be insulting me.

    NARAS is (probably) not relegating any rap/sung collaboration to Pop! Artists/labels (probably) are. “Blurred Lines” belongs to both Pop (as the genre) and Rap (because it features rapping). Why was “Blurred Lines” eventually submitted to Pop?? Most likely because the artists/label wanted to.

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