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    Former artist T-Pain made some controversial remarks regarding Aaliyah’s legacy…

    “No, I’m not saying Aaliyah. But it’s like because she passed, nobody is deserving of being next to her. Nobody’s good enough. Nobody is good enough because she passed. If she was still alive, then everybody would’ve been like, ‘Oh! She’s tryna be Beyoncé!’ If she were still alive right now. But now that she’s passed, it’s like ‘Nobody could be her! Nobody could be her!’ That’s just how I feel. That’s how it goes. And that’s how people are, man. People look for **** to talk about.” 

    Do you agree with his statement? Do you think artists like Aaliyah, Selena, and Natina Reed became icons after death? Discuss. 

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    100% I grew up with Selina (I’m from Houston) and she was a big deal with so much potential, that when she was murdered that potential turned into success. Much like Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin ect. When artist die young their potential was limitless. They themselves become Icon in Pop culture.

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    Oh @ Natina Reed.

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    Aaliyah wasn’t all that when she was alive. Tbh she was pretty irrelevant. Only big in R&B and she never became huge or an icon like Selena did. I love her music but Aaliyah never was an icon.

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    Aaliyah wasn’t all that when she was alive. Tbh she was pretty irrelevant. Only big in R&B and she never became huge or an icon like Selena did. I love her music but Aaliyah never was an icon.

    Oh please. And where was Selena big other than her field of music? Her only major hit was “Thinking of You,” which is way less than what Aaliyah had prior to her death. Hardly a global/crossover icon. Her legacy is just as inflated by her death as Aaliyah’s, perhaps more. 

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    You should really try a Controversy Thread at the rate you’re going today…

    I do agree with the statement. Same for Selena, although she had a longer career and bigger hits (in her genre).

    Yet another uncontroversial “controversy”. 

    Aaliyah was way too young when she died, so she didn’t have a huge career, but to me yes, she became iconic because 1. She died and 2. Specially because her career ended on a high note. Her last album was good and the three singles were excellent. My copy of the album also has Try Again so it’s even better. She didn’t die like a has been, forgotten, controversial or unsuccessful, so that definitely helped to asume she would’ve become bigger which only increases the iconic status. The “what if” is big in this case. 

    I think that the careers of similar girls that came out after her death certainly say “maybe she would’ve flopped and disappeared in the next couple of years” considering that I have no idea where Ashanti, Ciara, Amerie and others are, but we’ll never know. 

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    [quote=”movieguy89″]Aaliyah wasn’t all that when she was alive. Tbh she was pretty irrelevant. Only big in R&B and she never became huge or an icon like Selena did. I love her music but Aaliyah never was an icon.

    Oh please. And where was Selena big other than her field of music? Her only major hit was “Thinking of You,” which is way less than what Aaliyah had prior to her death. Hardly a global/crossover icon. Her legacy is just as inflated by her death as Aaliyah’s, perhaps more. [/quote]

    Yes, her legacy is inflated by her death. But the thing about Selena vs. Aaliyah (and I know that is far from the point of the thread) is that unlike R&B, her field of music goes way beyond the United States and way beyond what R&B can accomplish. Aaliyah will never be as big as Selena is/was because she went further to millions of people around the world before her death. In reality, unless Aaliyah had grown to a Beyonce level (not even Rihanna or Alicia Keys…Beyonce), she never would’ve been as successful as Selena was when she died. Aaliyah could’ve lived 50 years more and still not even close. And like I said on my previous post, the type of artist Aaliyah was went away very quickly in the mid 2000s, so even more reason to put her on a lower level than Selena.

    That is not to say that Selena couldn’t have flopped and gone away even before the 2000s, but considering her field I strongly believe she would become even more successful (remember she was on the verge of at least trying to cross over). Would Selena have gone away by now? Maybe, but it’s obvious she still had at least some good 5-10 insane blockbuster years left. Aaliyah, not so much.

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    Selina was everything to the people that listens to Tejano music. She was poised to release English music. But I come from pretty much were she was from so I’m completely bias I even enjoy her Spanish music she was a big deal in Houston especially at the Rodeo.

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    Natina Reed? Really?

    Aaliyah was already a borderline icon when she passed. I don’t know how huge she would have become or how long she would have remained relevant. But she (backed by Timbalad and Missy) helped shape the sound and look of today’s R&B/Hip-Hop artists.

    No clue whether Selena would have made a succesful crossover. But she was already pretty huge on the Tejano scene.  

    Dying young always elevates someone status. And it often, whether deserved or not, turns them into saints. It’s not really a pop girl thing. 

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    I’m looking at Selena’s worldwide stats, and she barely charted outside of the US. So, what is this “millions around the world” talk? Furthermore, in what universe is Selena’s style of music popular in the mainstream now that would have guaranteed superstardom? Aaliyah could have easily transitioned into the Timbaland/urban-pop trend that made Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado huge chart-topping stars circa 2006/2007. I don’t know where Selena would have fit in that climate or in the current climate of music. Realistically, she would have still been successful in the world of Tejano music, which is pure niche.

    Selena’s impact is as inflated as Aaliyah’s, so let’s not pretend. Selena’s biggest hit charted at #22 on the Hot 100 and she barely charted outside of the US or even in South America. Barely significant and certainly not that much better than Aaliyah’s stats… They both were successful stars in their respective genres and not much outside of that…

    R.I.P. to both women. All this shoulda, woulda, coulda is nonsense since both are long gone. What’s important now is what they have left for us. Selena and Aaliyah have both influenced many up and coming singers. Practically all of these up and coming R&B/alt-R&B singers have taken from Aaliyah’s style.

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    Selena only had one English song and it was released after she died. She pretty much made JLO who got her start playing her in a Bio Pic. She also died 20 years ago yesterday and what’s really sad was she died over money😞. All the original poster said was that Selena was an Icon and she was dubbed the Madonna of Latin Music. The fact that no other Latin/Tejano has even came close to a cross over is a testament to how good she was. Heck Selena Gomez is named after her. She also has the highest selling Latin album in the world I mean I don’t like it when people try to use “outside” the usa when they talk about genres that are popular outside the USA of course a R&B/ Pop star is going to sell more than a Spanish speaking Tejano singer who in the UK would listen to Selena??

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    Are you trying to dispute what I said or…?

    And just like you posted all of that, an Aaliyah fan can turn around and do the same.  None of that changes what I said. Selena was a regional Tejano/Mexican star, just like Aaliyah was a regional R&B star. Both died young. Both have inflated impacts. There are many people who could argue that Aaliyah was an “icon” in R&B before her death. We can go around in circles with these things.

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    Sorry, but this is just crazy to me. I honestly laughed when I read the Hot 100 comment. 

    You’re not going to find any answers in charts and stats. There’s nothing more unpredictable, unreliable and useless as a latin american music chart, specially outside the US where people also exist and where artists like Aaliyah are/were barely known. You can’t meassure Selena’s success by looking at Billboard charts. It doesn’t work like that so I don’t know where or what you’re looking at. Tejano music? Rodeo? Texas? It went way beyond those areas too. I’m not even a fan of the girl, but I’ve been alive long enough (as a kid living in Houston during her rise and Latin America before and after her death) to know what she represents. And it’s big. Very big.

    My point was very simple. Her star was on the rise outside of her niche and genre and she would have (not could…would) become even bigger. Success doesn’t equal iconic. Yes, her iconic status was inflated by her death, but an incledible success would’ve come anyway. Aaliyah on the other hand had a much more obvious path as the type of artist she was rarely goes beyond what she already had, which wasn’t a lot.

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    “You can’t meassure Selena’s success by looking at Billboard charts. It doesn’t work like that so I don’t know where or what you’re looking at.” 

    Well, tell me. How do you measure success? Based on your perception? PLEASE do tell. In what universe was Selena on the rise outside of her niche and genre any more than Aaliyah was with her going #1 with “Try Again” and getting a bunch of movie roles, etc.? Billboard is a measurement of success, and if we’re talking about success OUTSIDE of her genre, what better way to bring up Billboard Hot 100? I need some of your ‘measurements’ please. I’m sure they are no better than mines.

    Sorry, you’re just proving my point that Selena is probably more inflated than Aaliyah’s.

     

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    Some artists are already iconic before their untimely deaths (like Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, etc.). Others reach that status after death. I guess in some circles Aaliyah is iconic. I think she defintely rose in status and stature in the public consciousness after her death. If you can have a biopic made of your life (albeit a shitty Lifetime one), that means something to someone. Since there’s no link provided or context to what T-Pain was talking about, I don’t see where the real “controversy” is with saying that an artist gains relevance and icon status postmortem. Aaliyah might be one of those special cases. I did adore her and her music when she was alive.

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