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  • TV12
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    #385042

    Let the posting, arguing, fighting, and bitching begin… again…

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    Renaton
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    You know, I’m kinda (randomly and useless, I admit) mad at the eligibility period. I mean, out of my two favorite albums of the year so far, one is eligible only because it was released on vinyl right on time (Kaleidoscope Dream), and the other is will be eligible next year (good kid, m.A.A.d city). I was listening to Kendrick’s album right as I was taking a look in the forums, and to me, it’s just undeniable to me that is a great album, and much better than most of the stuff in the conversation for nominations. It should be a AOTY nominee, but unless Kendrick scores big hits (which I doubt will happen, as deserving as stuff like “Bitch Don’t Kill My Vibe” and ” Money Trees” would be), he will likely be relegated to the rap field only, and even there, he will have to face a lot of big names that release next year. So one of the most acclaimed albums of the year will likely be left out of a lot of categories just because of timing.

    Because let’s face it, a lot of great albums are released in the last 3 months of the year. It seems kinda of ridiculous and outdated to insist on this calendar when a lot of great stuff is ignored in favor of albums that just happened to have more hit singles. “The Suburbs” for example, would probably never even be nominated for AOTY if it was released a few months later, and again, that’s ridiculous. Ok, that’s it, end of useless, stupid and biased rant.

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    blueprint
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    Well, those are the usual problems with the Grammys. Ratings, sales,
    popularity are the main determiners of the nomination, and not the
    actual quality of the music. If that wasn’t the case the release date
    really wouldn’t matter at all, quality alone would get Kendrick his AOTY
    nomination.
    They still enjoy the reputation of being the most
    important award and highest honor for music, when they are basically
    awarding the same artists as the AMAs.
    The Grammys need more than an
    overhaul of the categories. There needs to be an overhaul for the
    entire voting process. I’m pretty sure that even a couple of posters
    here have a broader knowledge of contemporary music than the actual
    Grammy voters.

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    KaRol
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    #385046

    why Grammy Awards’ eligibility period is so odd? why can’t it be normal and include full calendar year from January to December?
    was it always like that?

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    TonyKuKo
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    welll… the reason is pretty clear… The nominations are announced in the first week of December and the process takes around 3 months…

    If the elegiblity period would include the full calendar year then the ceremony would have to take place in April or May… Running too late from the award’s season….

    One more thing is that the music industry claims the best records (most popular actually) are released in December… so if the nomination process kicks off in January then the time would be too short to evalute the impact of those albums…

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    KaRol
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    welll… the reason is pretty clear… The nominations are announced in the first week of December and the process takes around 3 months…

    If the elegiblity period would include the full calendar year then the ceremony would have to take place in April or May… Running too late from the award’s season….

    One more thing is that the music industry claims the best records (most popular actually) are released in December… so if the nomination process kicks off in January then the time would be too short to evalute the impact of those albums…

    i’m not buying this explanations at all.
    especially the one that gives this example of “ceremony (…) running too late from the award’s season”. come on, this year the eligibility period ended on September 30. the noms will be revealed on December 5, and the ceremony will take place on February 10, 2013. those are still 4 or 5 months “late from the award’s season”…

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    ^ I understand you’re only explaining, but that doesn’t make sense. So many albums don’t get in precisely because they are released in November/December. That was probably what hurt Kanye, for example.

    Anyway, “Home” is at #2 right now on iTunes, which I find interesting. It’s a song that has been a hit for months now, meaning voters are probably already familiar with it, but it’s gaining in exposure right during voting. I wonder if this can impact the nominations, and we see it in ROTY, SOTY and Phillip Phillips (good singer, terrible name) on BNA.

    In fact, could he be the true frontrunner of this category? The Grammys do like their music the safest as possible, and there’s no credible choice safer than him right now. It would disappointing for us that want people like Frank Ocean or Miguel to win, but he is a singer songwritter, does the kind of Mumford & Sons pop/rock they seem to be embracing, and I think the song might be big enough that it overshadows the fact he comes from “American Idol”. He might even win Pop Performance (which I’m now sure he’ll be nominated for).

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    ^I don’t think Phillip Phillips is elgible for BNA. I think their debut album needs to come out before the elgibility deadline. Didn’t his debut come out like a week ago?

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    KaRol
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    ^ I understand you’re only explaining, but that doesn’t make sense. So many albums don’t get in precisely because they are released in November/December. That was probably what hurt Kanye, for example.

    Anyway, “Home” is at #2 right now on iTunes, which I find interesting. It’s a song that has been a hit for months now, meaning voters are probably already familiar with it, but it’s gaining in exposure right during voting. I wonder if this can impact the nominations, and we see it in ROTY, SOTY and Phillip Phillips (good singer, terrible name) on BNA.

    In fact, could he be the true frontrunner of this category? The Grammys do like their music the safest as possible, and there’s no credible choice safer than him right now. It would disappointing for us that want people like Frank Ocean or Miguel to win, but he is a singer songwritter, does the kind of Mumford & Sons pop/rock they seem to be embracing, and I think the song might be big enough that it overshadows the fact he comes from “American Idol”. He might even win Pop Performance (which I’m now sure he’ll be nominated for).

    THE FIRST ROUND OF VOTING TO DETERMINE THE GRAMMY NOMINEES’ DEADLINE WAS OCTOBER 31 THIS YEAR, SO IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER IF PHILLIPS’ SONG IS PEAKING RIGHT NOW ON ANY RADIO FORMAT OR IS AT NO. 2 ON ITUNES RIGHT NOW.

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    ^Yeah, because “Home” was such a little song that no one has heard before that probably didn’t make the first round, huh? Riiiiiiiiiiight…

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    Sorry about the double post, but let me make clear what I meant. I do believe Phillips and the song were popular enough to make the top 15/20 (the first round), but now the song is doing even better than it was before, and the album just dropped. The second round is an important stage too. The fact he’s getting exposure at this time helps him even more. So if “Home” was already a possible contender based on the populairty the song had in the first round, I think the new found success of it pushes it further to make it a likely nominee. 

    I didn’t know he needed to have an album released to compete in BNA. If that’s case, I’m sorry, I didn’t know. But it’s silly to think the Blue Ribbon Panel won’t consider anything that happens between the first round and the actual nominations announcement. Yes, it’s conjecture, but isn’t what we do around here? Use your imagination a little, Karol. Of course the success of the song influences it’s chances a little for the Blue Ribbon Panel. They still haven’t decided completely what among the first round vote getters will go forward. It’s not absurd to consider the populairty right now helps it.

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    General field might be tough for Philip Phillips to make the cut in, but I’ve always thought that he’s going to appear in Pop Performance. That’s the kind of song that the category is made for. I’m not sure what he was submitted for though with no eligibility lists, so we’ll see soon enough if he can manage at least that. I doubt he was submitted in Best New Artist with no proper album out at the cutoff date, but per the new rules change, if he manages Pop Performance and longshot ROTY/SOTY nods, he could still be submitted for BNA next cycle and possibly get in (unless the “American Idol” bias gets him there), and the album and other songs will be eligible elsewhere.

    Is there no thread for final predictions? Are we doing that here?

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    TV12
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    ^One of the editors here likes to create the final predictions threads, so I just let him. Or else I’d have already created it.

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    I really don’t think he’s that much of a longshot. He may actually stand a chance at being #1 on Billboard this week, the song has been a hit for months, and it’s the style Grammy love right now. It wouldn’t be the first time a song gains traction during the second round. “Fuck You” for example, probably benefited from Gwyneth Paltrow’s version exposure. It might sound silly, but it really did give the song a whole new popularity, and I think it helped the Blue Ribbon Panel to nominate it. It’s a similar situation: popular and credible enough to enter top 15/20, and then it got bigger exposure on the second round.

    I don’t know what is it that drove his single’s sudden new interest, but I think we might underestimating his chances because of the previous “American Idol” bias. But they tend to respond to acoustic instrument driven tracks, this seems to be the biggest of the year in that aspect (since Gotye actually uses a sample). Also, they seem to embrace these hits that sorta stay popular for months and months, and the fact that it was popular enough to be top 15/20 (I really think it did) but is only now peaking might be something that impresses the BRP. 

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    Max 2.0
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    I think “Home” hit #8. It was used during the Olympics. I really doubt it hits #1. Either “Diamonds” stays on top or “One More Nights” rents the penthouse “one more night (week)”. Lol.

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