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  • Tom O’Neil
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    Troy “Troy” Escamilla and Quintale “Music Forever” Forte just took on the fun job as moderators of this forum, so, of course, I had to investigate their true Grammy smarts. Watch our video slugfest — or else listen to the audio podcast version — and tell us what you think of their predictions. Are they Grammy geniuses? Or Grammy idiots?

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/7216/grammy-predictions-beyonce-entertainment-3015927486-story.html

    http://shar.es/11AhCF

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    Richard Aniston
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    As far as their AOTY predictions, I don’t see In the Lonely Hour being nominated. I got mediocre reviews, middling sales and only one hit off of it (Stay With Me). Smith will get into SOTY and BNA for sure, though. Also, I definitely don’t see GIRL getting into AOTY. It would be lucky to score a genre album category nomination. I mostly agree with their other predics.

    For ROTY, I mostly agree. I honestly don’t see Fancy in ROTY. I know it was a huge hit, but the repetitive and simple production will likely keep this track out of the ROTY running.

    As for BNA, I’m pretty sure we can all agree that Sam Smith and Iggy will be up for this award. I agree more with Music Forever’s predics. AGBW was in my BNA predictions early on, but they haven’t had any success since Say Something and they’ve fallen out of the mindset of many people.

    Overall, not bad predictions. I have some disagreements here and there, but most I can agree with.

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    First, congratulations to Troy and Music Forever on your new positions. This was a fun discussion to watch. No “genius” or “idiot” talk from me; I salute anyone willing to make predictions on this forum, let alone show your face on camera and discuss it in depth. And, of course, thanks to Tom for appointing them and giving us more things to talk about.

    On a general note, I don’t think the Grammy voters are throwing “wrenches” just for the sake of it. There are so many musical releases every year, far more than movies for the Oscars or TV shows for the Emmys, that it only makes sense that predicting Grammy nominations should be much harder. (Hence my admiration for those who do predict.) For example, on the first ballot I’m unlikely to vote for any of the ROY choices listed by either moderator — not because I’m trying to be unpredictable or stick it to anybody, but because other records this year have captured my imagination. (It should be said that I believe more of their choices are likely to get nominated than of mine, but I can still hope.)

    To make a specific point along those lines, the notion that last year’s AOY review committee didn’t nominate Justin Timberlake because they wanted to keep people on their toes, and not because they simply didn’t like it as much as other choices, rings false to me. Obviously I have a built-in bias regarding voters, but I also know that I didn’t care for JT’s album once I’d listened to the whole thing, so it’s not at all shocking to me that he wasn’t nominated for AOY, or that he didn’t win Pop Album.

    My only other thoughts: I’d say sales/popularity mean more than critics’ polls, particularly where nominations are concerned. Popular songs/albums are more likely to get votes simply because more people have heard of them, especially in Pop and other fields without review committees. But I doubt you would find many musicians who care much about the opinions of music critics. 🙂 I also think it’s a mistake to worry too much about who has or hasn’t won in the past; every year presents completely different circumstances, and I’m not trying to remember who is “due” or who is “safe” (whatever that means) or anything beyond which choices I think have the highest musical quality. I know that I can only really speak for myself, but I truly believe most other voters feel the same way, though we can often have vastly differing opinions about what constitutes such quality.

    That’s enough from me; just some things to take with a few grains of salt. Thanks again for posting this discussion.

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    PoweR
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    Congrats to Troy and Musicforever on your new supervisory positions.

    As for their predictions, I’m leaning more towards Musicforever’s predictions.  

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    Final2
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    Has anyone even listened to “In the Lonely Hour”? Its so boring and bland and it only has one hit. I mean come on already. I remember people fighting tooth and nail over albums of much higher quality last year. No way ItLH is that good.

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    There has been albums with no hits actually win AOTY. This is the Grammys! Not the VMA, AMA, TCA etc it’s all about who you appeal too. The old farts will go crazy over Sam Smith.

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    RadioGAGAhead
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    In the Lonely Hour didn’t live up to all the hype and it is definitely boring at times, but there are some amazing songs on that album. I personally favor “Like I Can” and  “I’m Not the Only One” over “Stay With Me,” and there are other strong songs like “Leave Your Lover” as well. I hope “Like I Can” is released as a single in the US. I think it could blow up. 

    That being said, Sam Smith is not coming close to winning AOTY unless he has another hit. 

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    Final2
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    There has been albums with no hits actually win AOTY. This is the Grammys! Not the VMA, AMA, TCA etc it’s all about who you appeal too. The old farts will go crazy over Sam Smith.

    Please name the album from a mainstream pop album with no hits that won AotY. I understand this is the Grammys but notice how Beyoncé with no hits isnt even mentioned in AotY the same with Taylor. Mainstream acts need hits to get nominated its just they was it is.

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    [quote=”music forever”]There has been albums with no hits actually win AOTY. This is the Grammys! Not the VMA, AMA, TCA etc it’s all about who you appeal too. The old farts will go crazy over Sam Smith.

    Please name the album from a mainstream pop album with no hits that won AotY. I understand this is the Grammys but notice how Beyoncé with no hits isnt even mentioned in AotY the same with Taylor. Mainstream acts need hits to get nominated its just they was it is.[/quote]

    For starters I don’t consider Sam Smith to be a mainstream pop act. He’s a male soul/pop singer who isn’t really chasing after pop hits. Katy Perry, Rihanna, Lady GaGa, Taylor Swift, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Mars etc are mainstream acts who need Pop hits to get in for the time being(I say that because things may change when they become veterans). I wouldn’t put Sam Smith in that group just yet. Both Adele and Amy Winehouse only had 1-2 pop hits when nominated. I think he fits them more. I know his album wasn’t as “acclaimed” as there’s but he appeals to the same voters in the BRP.

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    Um….no Sam Smith is a mainstream act pop or whatever you want to call him. He dosnt make music to make music hes making money. Adele and Amy are both main stream acts and there Albums where very well received unlike In The Lonely Hour. You cant compare “Stay With Me” to “Rolling In The Deep”. You cant compare Sam Smith to Adele or Amy at all. From what I get out of your post is that Sam Smith can put out crappy boring music that has so/so reviews and get in AotY but Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga & Justin Timberlake all can put out solid well received albums and if they dont have a hit they ain’t getting in AotY. You also should Take into note that Rolling in the Deep spent 7 weeks at #1 wile Someone Like You spent 5. I really don’t get this he’s the next Adele at all. I mean he has an outstanding voice but his songwriting sucks. The Fact is Back To Black & 21 are Albums that will go down in history. Sam Smith is very mediocre when it comes to his songs the best thing about “I’m not the only one” is Diana Agron in the music video.

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    First, congratulations to Troy and Music Forever on your new positions. This was a fun discussion to watch. No “genius” or “idiot” talk from me; I salute anyone willing to make predictions on this forum, let alone show your face on camera and discuss it in depth. And, of course, thanks to Tom for appointing them and giving us more things to talk about.

    On a general note, I don’t think the Grammy voters are throwing “wrenches” just for the sake of it. There are so many musical releases every year, far more than movies for the Oscars or TV shows for the Emmys, that it only makes sense that predicting Grammy nominations should be much harder. (Hence my admiration for those who do predict.) For example, on the first ballot I’m unlikely to vote for any of the ROY choices listed by either moderator — not because I’m trying to be unpredictable or stick it to anybody, but because other records this year have captured my imagination. (It should be said that I believe more of their choices are likely to get nominated than of mine, but I can still hope.)

    To make a specific point along those lines, the notion that last year’s AOY review committee didn’t nominate Justin Timberlake because they wanted to keep people on their toes, and not because they simply didn’t like it as much as other choices, rings false to me. Obviously I have a built-in bias regarding voters, but I also know that I didn’t care for JT’s album once I’d listened to the whole thing, so it’s not at all shocking to me that he wasn’t nominated for AOY, or that he didn’t win Pop Album.

    My only other thoughts: I’d say sales/popularity mean more than critics’ polls, particularly where nominations are concerned. Popular songs/albums are more likely to get votes simply because more people have heard of them, especially in Pop and other fields without review committees. But I doubt you would find many musicians who care much about the opinions of music critics. 🙂 I also think it’s a mistake to worry too much about who has or hasn’t won in the past; every year presents completely different circumstances, and I’m not trying to remember who is “due” or who is “safe” (whatever that means) or anything beyond which choices I think have the highest musical quality. I know that I can only really speak for myself, but I truly believe most other voters feel the same way, though we can often have vastly differing opinions about what constitutes such quality.

    That’s enough from me; just some things to take with a few grains of salt. Thanks again for posting this discussion.

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    Um….no Sam Smith is a mainstream act pop or whatever you want to call him. He dosnt make music to make music hes making money. Adele and Amy are both main stream acts and there Albums where very well received unlike In The Lonely Hour. You cant compare “Stay With Me” to “Rolling In The Deep”. You cant compare Sam Smith to Adele or Amy at all. From what I get out of your post is that Sam Smith can put out crappy boring music that has so/so reviews and get in AotY but Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga & Justin Timberlake all can put out solid well received albums and if they dont have a hit they ain’t getting in AotY. You also should Take into note that Rolling in the Deep spent 7 weeks at #1 wile Someone Like You spent 5. I really don’t get this he’s the next Adele at all. I mean he has an outstanding voice but his songwriting sucks. The Fact is Back To Black & 21 are Albums that will go down in history. Sam Smith is very mediocre when it comes to his songs the best thing about “I’m not the only one” is Diana Agron in the music video.

    This makes no sense. You are comparing the success of Sam Smith’s debut to the success Adele and Amy received for their SECOND albums. Sam Smith actually has more success, hype and awards buzz than Adele did when she debuted back in 2008 with 19. People forget that “Chasing Pavements” peaked after the Grammys. The only reason Sam Smith is being considered for AOTY is because he has the breakthrough artist narrative and sales that make him a strong contender in a weak year. He could still easily be left out and he likely would be any other year, but the pop field is lacking contenders with major critical acclaim and multiple hits. IMO his narrative is much stronger than Ed Sheeran’s, Pharell’s, Katy’s, etc. 

    And “I’m Not the Only One” is better than any single released by Katy Perry and Taylor Swift in the past 3 years. 
     

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    I don’t think Sam Smith should be compared to Adele or Amy at all. You say I’m not comparing there debuts but its when they had there breakthrough where the public heard them for the 1st time. Also the fact that you compared Taylor with Katy is just plain wrong. I know that Taylor is the most hated act on this site and People on this site need to realize that Taylor gets much better reviews than almost everyone in mainstream music. She deserves more respect as an artist then she gets on this site. The fact that she’s on her 5th album and 8th year of singing she still the biggest act and most consistent in the United States. The only thing Sam Smith has is a voice his music (besides Stay With Me) sucks. A voice doesn’t make you the best.

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