Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantDecember 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm #541247
In 1980, Ordinary People won Best Picture over what has been called on the best movies of all time, Raging Bull. I think that Raging Bull should have won Ordinary People. Something to keep in mind: The Oscars were held the day AFTER Ronald Reagan’s asassination attempt by John Hinckley, a man obsessed with Martin Scorsese’s other classic film, Taxi Driver.December 8, 2012 at 5:36 pm #541249
“Raging Bull”. I still consider it to be Marty’s best film.December 8, 2012 at 5:45 pm #541250
Neither. Of the nominees, I’d have voted for Tess; of the films nominated elsewhere, Kagemusha and Melvin & Howard were more worthy.
I don’t think Raging Bull is a successful film. Full of plenty of strong scenes, but like so much of Scorsese, never congeals into a coherent whole. I saw it before it opened and was disappointed, have rewatched it twice since, it hasn’t grown on me.
My favorite Scorsese films are, in order
1) After Hours
4) The Last WaltzDecember 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm #541251
Definitely ORDINARY PEOPLE
over RAGING BULL….
I am in the minority who find Raging Bull a bit
too over indulgent with “film making ” skills..
I enjoy other scorsese films much more such as
THE AGE OF INNOCENSE, TAXI DRIVER, HUGO
ALICE DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE and KING OF COMEDY..
My favorite scorsese film is definitely GOODFELLAS…
I love Redford’s film…everything about it from the screenplay
to the acting and the choice of music…For me, ORDINARY PEOPLE
is in my top 100 films of all time…Raging Bull is not…December 8, 2012 at 6:10 pm #541252
Neither. I’m in that small minority that hates Raging Bull. I’ve tried several times and I just can’t get into it. The editing is the only thing that works for me.
I’ll go with Kagemusha.December 8, 2012 at 6:35 pm #541253
Well, I suppose I’m in that minority who wondered if these questions were rhetorical.December 8, 2012 at 7:01 pm #541254
I’d honestly go with the un-nominated, but arguably more important Empire Strikes Back.December 8, 2012 at 7:07 pm #541255
Raging Bull is my favorite American movie ever. So…
But seriously, don’t we get asked this exact question every few months?December 8, 2012 at 7:13 pm #541256
Raging Bull is a great movie, much better crafted than Ordinary People, but all in all, I’d rather re-watch Ordinary People.December 8, 2012 at 7:19 pm #541257
I love them both equally, but I think they both deserved it. But in terms of the question at hand, I would give the slight edge to Ordinary People. Raging Bull is great, though I don’t have the need to watch it over and over. Ordinary People I can watch again and again, but that’s just me. I think it won also because the previous year, Kramer vs. Kramer had won, which was also a family drama. I guess the Academy was into the family dramas at that time.Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantDecember 8, 2012 at 7:45 pm #541258
Sake here, Icky. I also believe that this movie is the best in American history. The editing is probably the best in film history. Also, I believe that Robert De Niro’s performance is the best in film history. Also, I think that one of the Oscars’ biggest snubs is that the screenplay wasn’t nominated in Best Adapted Screenplay.December 9, 2012 at 1:43 am #541259
I think Scorsese deserved the directing award, but Ordinary People is the more powerful film, Redford shows incredbile skill in knowing what each scene requires, and its quiter moments are more powerful than the significantly louder ones in Raging Bull. What’s damaged Ordinary People’s reputation over the years are the TV lifetime movies, but back then this was just as groundbreaking with its issues in tackling darker family secrets. It even did just as good with the critics as Raging Bull did that year, it won Best Picture at NYFCC, and Redford won a few directing awards.December 9, 2012 at 6:11 am #541260
It wasn’t groundbreaking really. It was a family drama. Leo McCarey for example did “Make Way For Tomorrow” many decades prior. It was just a very sentimental film, that happened to be released when people were starting to get tired from the 70’s grittiness. I love a good family drama, but Ordinary People isn’t what comes to mind when I think of that. I think Kramer vs. Kramer is more interesting in that sense.
Being brazilian, I have never seen a Lifetime film, so I’m not affected by that. But even younger, when I wasn’t familiar with the Oscar history, when this was on film channels, I never really cared for it. I agree that it’s a more sensible film than Raging Bull, but I don’t think that makes it better. And honestly, the only reason why they ever get compared is the Oscars. They’re too different. It’s easier to compare it to other best picture winners of the 80’s than with “Raging Bull” (relased in the 80’s, but a 70’s film at essence).December 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm #541261
I am part of that small group that honestly was more affected and attacted to Ordinary People. I have always admired and respected Raging Bull but never loved it.