November 19, 2016 at 10:12 am #1201953256
Double elimination! Holla! I wonder if they did this just to shake things up or if the Tim Gunn save for Cornelius meant that this had to happen to keep production on schedule. I knew Nathalia was going home right away from an editing trick I learned over many years of watching this and other reality shows. Whenever someone looks noticeably different in confessionals vs. normal look, it’s likely exit interview footage done after the fact. Sloppy production just pieces together the narrative of the story the show wants to tell regardless of the time continuity, so that’s that. Dexter is much more of a surprise. He’s the kind of contestant TPTB keep around for much longer for the drama. Personality wise (not talent, mind you), this is a pretty lackluster group. Cornelius serves that element okay enough, but still. I’m glad that Dexter pointed out the judges’ selective myopia this season. Numerous designers are capitalizing on their aesthetic crutches and are applauded for it (Laurence’s jackets, Erin in beginning of season, Jenni apeing Erin, etc.), but he can’t do it too? Granted, those puffy shoulders were fug as fuck here and on the Urban Jungle challenge, but it’s still hypocritical. Cornelius didn’t have the best of the week, but good for him in finally winning a challenge and redeeming himself in the judges’ eyes. Shockingly enough, for the second week in a row, I would have chosen Mah-Jing for the win. He’s a pretty ridiculous person in many respects, but he’s found his stride now with two fierce consecutive looks. He might be a sleeper choice for Fashion Week, especially with frontrunner Rik stumbling hard here with his created fabric dress. Final three (or four)? Only Laurence feels locked in right now. Erin seems like the kind of choice the judges want to be in the finale for well-roundedness. Rik, Mah-jing, Cornelius, and Roberi in that order, I guess.November 20, 2016 at 11:03 am #1201953632
Well it was a good thing that they didn’t announce the double elimination. This is a direct result of Cornelious being saved, a double elimination had to happen sometime, it was a surprise and the right people went home.
I couldn’t stand Dexter for a while now, Natalia was a goner since the whole thing began regardless of her one or two good moments. Dexter did this to himself too, it’s one thing to repeat and repeat like Laurence, Erin, Kini, Sean, Anya (was that her name?), and people like that, because when they repeat at least it’s something that people actually liked the first time..or the second and third time. Dexter’s first look wasn’t as great, so why repeat it? Bye Dexter. And it wasn’t just the jacket, the rest wasn’t good either, so again, bye Dexter.
I think Laurence did a great job and should’ve gone to the critique and leave Erin’s awful flamenco dress safe only because the others were so much worse. But she wasn’t as high as the judges think she was, that was not a good dress. I’m much more interested in whatever that pink thing she was doing would’ve become. It’s good thing that the one time Dexter spoke out against repeats, Laurence didn’t do a leather jacket.
As for Cornelious winning….it was a great dress and it was the obvious winner here (Mah-Jin’s wasn’t that good either). It still doesn’t justify the save, we’ll see if this is a fluke or not, my bet is that of course it is!
November 21, 2016 at 1:30 pm #1201954359
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I had the same feeling seeing Nathalia’s sound bites and how different she looks. You would think someone at the show would either have the contestants not look very different for those interviews or just not use that footage mixed in with the other footage. Anyway, that was a great double elimination. More than most other shows, the PR format seems fairly flexible. They don’t mind doing a random double elimination just because. And they just declare the last challenge before Fashion Week to be the final challenge and then eliminate however many designers they need to at once. Maybe this will prevent them from having too many designers make collections and not letting one of them show.
Both Nathalia and Dexter deserved the boot on this one, though I think Dexter did more. While he’s right that some designers can get away with doing similar things repeatedly and not being criticized for it — though I’d argue that there’s a difference between specializing in coats or jackets, which is fairly general, and using the exact same gimmick on a piece that you used before — I think the judges were more bugged that Dexter had done that same thing before and they didn’t like it the first time. They hate feeling ignored, which is basically what he did. Even so, I think he would have skated by, because the judges seemed pretty set on nixing Nathalia, until they realized he didn’t make the undergarments his model was wearing.
I was really surprised Cornelius won. I liked his dress, but it felt kind of like the ready-to-wear version of an avant garde piece made mostly of that colorful leather. The color on his dress didn’t seem striking enough to photograph in an exciting way. I would have gone with Mah-Jing, even though I thought his dress would turn out to be a disaster. I really liked Laurence’s dress, but I guess the judges didn’t think it was that interesting. Erin’s dress looked a little rough to me, and I absolutely hated the ruffle on the bottom. I couldn’t believe that was even top three.December 3, 2016 at 3:56 pm #1201961053
Well Erin managed to make a comeback. I think she did a great job, perhaps the grid wire thing wasn’t as necessary on the bottom, but on the top it certainly looked amazing. I wish she would’ve done something other than the kind of the same flowers she 1. Always does 2. With yellow somewhere in there and 3. Had on herself during the runway, which made it all way TOO Erin, but hey, it was great and IT WAS Avant Garde. The pants were also very cool.
On the other hand Laurence was waaaay TOO Laurence and to me, just like Rik, it kind of failed because they both looked like they came from the same collection and both looked like regular dresses. This show has taught us that Avant Gard is big, bold, over the top, and they as well as Roberi, Mah-Jing and Cornelius, made very tight short dresses that looked similar to one another and not Avant Garde enough. But I separate Laurence and Rik because they were actually perfectly made (except for Rik’s back) and in a regular unconventional challenge, they would’ve been winners or close to being winners. But they were still disappointing.
Of the other three Roberi was the most succesful, his materials at least did look Avant Garde and it being yet another short dress on the runway wasn’t that bad because of his materials. I just personally didn’t like it. But I “respect” it, at least.
Cornelius should’ve gone home instead of Mah Jing who had a better idea, but this looks like a strategy on the judges/producers part, because you can very much bet that Cornelius is going home next leaving Roberi for Fashion Week or at least the typical, Final Four, go home, come back, Final Three without Roberi. And Mah Jing could’ve prevented that for him, Cornelius will not. And maybe they prefer to have Roberi instead of Mah Jing (I sure do).December 5, 2016 at 9:18 am #1201962136
I agree with most of this, BenitoDelicias. The judges making the challenge avant garde and unconventional materials was tough because some people might argue that incorporating the unconventional materials did make it avant garde. I thought Erin’s was going to be awful, but it turned out great (although, yeah, so many yellow flowers, good lord). Rik’s and Laurence’s were good, but neither seemed particularly avant garde outside of the unconventional material. I do agree, though, that Laurence should have thought to do that in a color other than black. But I’m glad the judges have mentioned to her now to cut loose, do something surprising, use some color maybe, and not keep relying on that shoulder. Roberi’s space dress, as the judges said, has been seen on Project Runway before, but I agree with them it was a good version of it.
Cornelius’s look was terrible, and he really should have gone home for it. It didn’t look nice, though sure, some of the techniques he used to put it together were good, and the idea behind it was bad. Has anyone ever said, “You know, I want a dress that makes it look like I’m being consumed by a giant parasitic worm.” I thought his butterfly idea was actually potentially very cool, but then he started making that dress and it just didn’t work. Mah-Jing’s was much better, even if problematic because the dress had to be held up.December 10, 2016 at 12:05 pm #1201966034
Lifetime actually showed a promo of next week’s episode with the final four and Michael Kors coming back before the episode ended! I was livid! How does the promo department make that kind of monumental blunder like that? It ruined the entire episode, which was lackluster from the beginning with the uninspiring “go someplace new to gain inspiration for your designs,” and where do they take them? Austin, Texas. 😐 Erin should have won that challenge (mealworms?!?!) for what she did with her unconventional materials. I’ve realized that I don’t like Roberi much at all or his bizarre aesthetics. I would have had his knots dress right in the bottom two with Rik, who delivered two sloppy designs that should have sent him home. Laurence didn’t step up to the plate with her ill-fitting conventional fabrics dress. I’d have let Cornelius at least stay for the final four and “prove” himself with a mini-collection of three looks, which they might do anyway to narrow this down to a final three. I like it best when it’s a final three. Feels like a waste when a Tim Gunn save doesn’t make it to the finale, but at least Cornelius was a memorable character and semi-villain who will certainly be remembered in coming years and a surefire future All-Stars contestant. The finale episodes better be more compelling than all of this nonsense was.December 10, 2016 at 5:00 pm #1201966111
Ok…so…congrats to Roberi…but seriously? I can’t help but keep thinking what I mentioned last week that they REALLY didn’t want Cornelius going to Fashion Week, because I think we’ve all seen things like those dresses that Roberi did on the very bottom on the week during previous seasons. Both of Roberi’s look were insanely tacky. Even if it’s “fashion” any girl on the red carpet would be labeled trash, tacky, whore, prostitute, low taste level and so on and on and on and all those things people like Nina and Heidi have said for 15 seasons anytime something like that knot dress comes around. And add Georgina Chapman who is a judge on All Stars and you get three very crazy women. And Zack? He’s said worst things about better dresses. Then the conventional look looked like men’s tie put together. Both looks were terrible. I will say though the knot idea was great, but just…no.
Having said that, I don’t think anything was worse than Laurence’s unconventional look. I’m glad Heidi did mention how much of a german costume they had on the runway. It was awful. Good ideas, bad execution, the skirt was even worse than Roberi’s knot dress.
There’s no way in hell that Erin didn’t deserve to win that challenge. Both looks were excellent and the top of the unconventional was one of the best unconventional things I’ve seen on this show. What a comeback from this girl who looked doomed.
I agree that Rik’s conventional wasn’t very good. The other one had a bad skirt, but a great top.
Finally, I’m all for Cornelius getting voted off even if I have to live with Roberi’s awful tacky dresses. I do believe Roberi is a much better designer.
Now we wait until next week when they pretend all four are going to fashion week…but surprise (to no one), they won’t. This week made me more confident that Erin is going to win, however, Tim’s critiques have saved her quite a few times, I don’t know how much of a lock she can be with a collection she does on her own and when she comes back she won’t have Tim’s support like during the competition, it’ll be much harder to fix.December 12, 2016 at 8:52 am #1201967560
I luckily didn’t see the promo showing the final four, but that would have been very annoying! I found it weird they threw a second consecutive unconventional challenge at them, and this one to determine who was going to Fashion Week. It seemed like they realized that halfway through and added that complementary high fashion look, but without giving them any extra time to make it, making that look feel like an afterthought — Tim actually said as much to several of the designers.
I thought both of Erin’s looks were okay. The jumpsuit looked like just what it was: she got a fun print and threw together a basic romper, and it looked fine, just not that interesting or exceptional or high fashion, as it was supposed to be. The unconventional look went in waves. It was awful for a while, then she pulled it into something really nice, but I think she ruined it with too many of those flowers. I also can see her just going down a few bad rabbit holes on her own without Tim or someone there for pull her back, but I guess we’ll see. She did certainly deserve to go to Fashion Week. I did like Laurence’s unconventional look, which to me read more as Roman than German. But I wrote off the conventional look when she bought that mustard fabric. I thought it was fine, but agreed with Heidi that it was boring. Again, though, I think she clearly deserved Fashion Week.
I like Roberi, so I’m glad he made it to Fashion Week. The conventional look was striking with those contrasting patterns, though I didn’t find it as much of a masterpiece as the judges did. And the knot dress was an interesting idea that really has no realistic and practical execution. I would say Rik’s two looks were worse than Cornelius’s, but I do think Rik’s the better designer overall between them.Robert JonesParticipantJoined:Dec 12th, 2016Topics:0Posts:3December 12, 2016 at 3:23 pm #1201967797
The charge of this challenge was to construct clothing from unconventional materials. Roberi won hands down. His entire dress was constructed of his unconventional material. The others constructed a dress or skirt and top then decorated it with unconventional materials. His companion dress mimicked the lines of his string dress. The two outfits complemented each other. Lawrence and Rik did well but their companion outfits were not successful.
Erin ……. Erin does not create fashion clothing. She starts a craft project and figures out how to paste it on to an outfit. This is not clothing design let alone fashion design. Take the decorations off of her garments and you have outfits that could be bought at Penny’s. I do not understand the judges enthusiasm. One can find these tacky decorative elements in any hobby, craft, or dollar store.
December 16, 2016 at 8:14 pm #1201971151
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Fillerish episode, but I guess it was nice to see the mini-collections. I think the one I liked the most was Rik’s (gasp), mainly for that black and white tights outfit which was the most inspired of the twelve looks. He kind of positioned himself as this finale’s Mondo to Erin’s Gretchen (fitting since this was the era that Miss Kors left the show; nice to see him back as a guest judge finally). Not that Rik is half as gifted as Mondo or Erin a tenth as awful as Gretchen, but I’m seeing another art vs. commerce battle shaping up, and we know how that usually ends. Looking at Erin’s poofy white dress with all of those embellishments, I was like, what woman in her right mind would wear this or think it’s flattering? But to the judges, it’s a unique voice who’s so creative and will sell, sell, sell! Zac Posen probably had a boner over seeing all of those unconventional materials on Erin’s dresses. I think she emerged as the frontrunner barring any major hiccups happening next week. Laurence’s line disappointed me the most. There was none of the fierceness from the season in her collection. I wished she had trolled us and made ten jackets with raised shoulders. Like, what, you mouthy bitches? That would at least have been more consistent than what she presented. I really can’t with those olive overalls and fitted flowered top and too-tight pants. I’ve voiced my many issues with Roberi and his awful aesthetics. Watch him upset for the win just b/c this show can never pick the winners I want lol! His mini-collection should have been the one to send him home so this could be a more competitive final three instead of an unwieldy final four. I think that all four designers could make a case for themselves for the win, but I think I’ll stick with Erin until the bitter end.December 18, 2016 at 9:29 pm #1201971880
It was more interesting than I thought seeing this in-between episode. The mini-collections were nice to see. The only one to which I had a really strong reaction was Rik, and it was not good. I think at one point I said aloud, “Rik’s collection looks like garbage!” Seeing the looks on the runway was better, but he was still far and away my least favorite. All of these guys seem to suffer somewhat from learning to use their inspirations as a point of departure rather than a set of numbered instructions. Like, if Laurence just found the most effective point in her timeline/collection and focused around that, she might be better off. Ditto for Roberi and his idea of one girl doing a dozen totally different things. It was most moving seeing Laurence finally break a little talking about her relationship with her father, and actually most interesting seeing Erin with her friends and family. Erin seems like she could be a brilliant contemporary artist, moreso than a fashion designer. In any event, I don’t have much of a guess who will win ultimately. Erin seems like the most likely option based on history, but I’m not quite buying that. I’m excited to see how the collections turn out and who does triumph in the end.December 20, 2016 at 9:57 am #1201972733
Yeah it was a filler episode, and I was surprised that nobody got sent home or that Tim didn’t have a complete meltdown because of how terrible everybody did, except Erin.
I don’t understand why these things happen, I think it’s all forced and fake to create drama, because I think we all know better than these people by watching the show and surely they’ve all watched too. Heidi saying “cohesion” about a hundred times during the episode was spot on but I can’t believe she, the judges and us were the only ones thinking about it. At some point you have to stop and say “I’ve seen this show before, this shitty mess isn’t going to work”.
What the hell with those denim designs Rik had? I did like the black and white thing though, at least it was interesting. But he had three very different girls up there and if I know it was wrong, he must know it was wrong.
Why did Laurence suddenly decide to go about 100% against everything she showed during the season? What the hell with that jacket and those white pants? Did Laurence’s girl die and come back as a dull white rich woman? I’m not asking for 12 black leather jackets with “signature” shoulders, but I don’t think another german costume is the right way to go either…
Why is Roberi doing a Forever 21 line and where did that awful plastic blue skirt come from?
And Erin, she was the best out of the four, but the middle white dress didn’t make sense during this mini collection. I liked Erin’s collection the best, sure some designs might have also been a bit too Forever 21, but at least it was the same Erin we’ve seen, it all made sense together, you could see things she showed to Tim that will work in the end, and it was the same girl in the same collection.
The other three were just awful. Can’t imagine Erin losing this thing.December 23, 2016 at 9:40 am #1201974174
Pretty strong Fashion Week finale. I was really in the tank for Rik (personally, I missed the black tights!), so if we’re to gather that he placed fourth, then that’s some bullshit. He was easily top two from what was actually shown here. I’ll never appreciate Roberi’s scattered and gaudy aesthetics, and what Laurence presented was not the badass gives no fucks whatsoever goddess I saw this season. Brocaded fabrics? Overalls? White linen dresses? Gurl, bye. That leaves our newest winner, Erin! I don’t knowwww. Loved the pops of color, humor, and pure fun that she had in her collection. I just don’t see the practicality whatsoever in her “brand.” The oversized dresses puzzle me. Do women want to look bigger than what they normally are? The embellishments, so many embellishments. None of that is my color palette, but I get how exciting it can make someone look and feel. I think the banana hands jacket is actually one of my favorite looks of the season lol! Ridiculous, but so Erin. Maybe she will be everything that Gretchen wasn’t by being less wearable and more … artsy? Rik being Erin’s Mondo would have made more sense than Roberi. Oh well. Zendaya was a pretty amazing judge BTW. Someone’s trying to get herself a Kelly Osborne gig, I see. Speaking of that, “Project Runway: Junior” anyone? I’ll keep this thread going for that, if so.JBParticipantJoined:Jul 13th, 2011Topics:1Posts:556December 23, 2016 at 10:59 am #1201974188
Holy crap, that was the worst finale winner in Project Runway history. Her clothes were candy colored crap with terrible silhouettes. She shouldnt have even made top 4.
It should’ve gone:
December 25, 2016 at 12:57 am #1201974735
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Shifting gears to “Project Runway: Junior” now …
Having never seen this before (just watch the original and “All-Stars”), I’m pleasantly surprised by the great talent of these kids! I’m not even kidding when I say that I gasped at some of these “first impressions” looks here. Rene’s “bondage couture” design was fire! Better than anything I saw Roberi put out this season, just saying. The personalities are rich, and I’m already living for the dynamics at play right now. Hannah whatever is no Heidi Klum, but I guess she’ll suffice. Somewhat surprised that Tim Gunn is mentoring this when he doesn’t do it for “All-Stars.” I knew Kelly Osborne was a judge on this, but no one told me about Christian Siriano! I’ll go ahead and say he is the single best designer in “Project Runway” history. Yes, I’m placing him above Mondo, their precious Dmitri, Jeffrey, Sean, Anya, Gretchen lol, etc. I imagine he’s going to be a –nty judge, but the show needs that. Poor Ruby. I would have voted off Chris in a heartbeat. His attitude is horrible and his design aesthetic is worse. He doesn’t seem all that stable either with his twitchiness, but this is all a lot for a teenager to handle. Some of the designers are 12 and 13 doing things people two, three, and four times their ages have both succeeded and failed miserably at. I tip my invisible hat to them all and find myself in for the entire season!