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    I hope I didn’t break any rules about who can create “official” threads, or starting a thread about a season three months before it starts, but I heard a comment Nigel Lythgoe made on Entertainment Weekly Radio about Season 12 and didn’t want to add it to the end of the Season 11 thread.

    Anyway, in addition to the already announced major change (instead of dividing the Top 20 into 10 “guys” and 10 “girls”, there will be 10 “street dancers” (although Nigel says that the definition of “street” is broad – it includes, for example, something called Street Tango) and 10 “stage dancers”, and each week, one of each will be eliminated), Nigel mentioned that he is asking for permission to have each week’s “save” be based on a live Twitter vote.  For those of you wondering how fans of the show that live in a time zone where the show isn’t live can be involved, the names of the dancers in danger of being eliminated would be made available online or through a tweet from the show as soon as they are announced.

    The only problem with this is, while the eastern viewers can watch the dancers in danger dance again before having to decide, the western ones have to base their votes on the previous week’s dancing.

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    Anyway, in addition to the already announced major change (instead of dividing the Top 20 into 10 “guys” and 10 “girls”, there will be 10 “street dancers” (although Nigel says that the definition of “street” is broad – it includes, for example, something called Street Tango) and 10 “stage dancers”, and each week, one of each will be eliminated)

    Somebody who was at the Detroit auditions says that they dropped a bombshell – it’s not “instead of 10 guys and 10 girls”; the 20 finalists will consist of 10 men and 10 women (in addition to the 10 stage and 10 street requirement), although there will not necessarily be five male stage, five female stage, five male street, and five female street.  (Also, there will not necessarily be a man and a woman eliminated each week; a stage dancer and a street dancer will be eliminated each week, which could be both men or both women.)

    Am I the only one who thinks that this is a problem waiting to happen?  It might come down to something like having to choose between advancing a female street dancer who isn’t quite ready for the live shows to the top 20, or leaving back a male stage dancer in favor of a weaker female stage dancer because they have to have 10 women in total, which means the number of male stage dancers has to equal the number of female street dancers.

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    Interesting.  I hadn’t really thought about the gender division with the street vs. stage format, but I do think the whole thing could easily create some weird issues.  There are already some issues just with taking equal numbers of males and females, but the audience is accustomed to that division, so there isn’t really a lot of complaining when the show is saying that the boys are so much stronger than the girls one year and vice versa the next.  Adding the street/stage dynamic will only make that more complicated, in terms of choosing a top 20 and the weekly eliminations, though I guess if they use live Twitter voting that is eliminated.  I’m not sure it’s a great idea though.  I’d like to see the Venn diagram of people who watch the show live and people who are on and feel comfortable using Twitter.  I realize this is meant to be a draw, but I think it could backfire and leave them getting not nearly as many Twitter voters as they’d like to get an actual representative sample of the audience and what viewers really want.  

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    Whose bright idea was this?

    According to Fox’s “summer premieres” press release, SYTYCD will be on Mondays this year (with Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday occupied in part by Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?, MasterChef, and Wayward Pines).  Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t DWTS also on Mondays?  Does Fox honestly believe that there’s very little crossover audience between the two shows?

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    I don’t think Dancing with the Stars airs during the summer.  That show usually runs alternately with The Bachelor/The Bachelorette, with DWTS usually running in the spring (from around now until the end of May) and fall, and The Bachelor/The Bachelorette(s) over the summer and from January to mid-March.  Maybe Fox thinks they can just borrow the DWTS audience by airing in the same time slot once the show goes off.  Good luck with that.

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    And, cue comments on the first episode:

    Not only was there no mention that there still had to be 10 men and 10 women in the top 20 (then again, they could have changed their minds after Vegas Week, but if they do end up with 10 of each, it won’t be a coincidence), but there was no mention that there was no more “choreography round” at the auditions.  At least they showed one female street dancer who looked like a Top 20 possibility, so that’s good news for at least one male stage dancer.

    Also, on Memphis Day 2, Cat made it sound like having the dancers audition in groups, then cut some of them while others return for solos, was something they had just invented because of the power failure, rather than having done, oh, I don’t know, say, perhaps, at every city audition since Season 1.

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    Based on what has appeared on The Futon Critic up to this point, here’s what I think the rest of the schedule will be:
    6/22 – New York
    6/29 – Vegas Week
    7/ 6 – Top 20 announced
    7/13 – Top 20 perform for votes
    7/20 – cut to 18 (i.e. 20 perform; at the end of the show, two go home)
    7/27 – cut to 16
    8/ 3 – cut to 14
    8/10 – cut to 12
    8/17 – cut to 10
    8/24 – cut to 8
    8/31 – cut to 6
    9/ 7 – cut to 4
    9/14 – winner announced
    Fox has already said that Gotham returns, and Minority Report premieres, on Monday 9/21

    Also, in the Los Angeles audition, I hope Jason and Paula didn’t make a mistake sending Jacy through to Vegas over Nigel’s “no” vote.  When she danced, I noticed that she didn’t do any moves that put particular strain on her fractured leg, and I have a feeling Nigel did as well but didn’t want to say anything.  She won’t have that luxury when trying to do others’ choreography.
    UPDATE: IIRC, she was cut after the first choreographed routine, although it seemed to me that she didn’t have much problem doing moves on her weaker leg.  Maybe if she finds a trainer who has more than a little idea what he/she is doing and gets some strength training on that leg, she’ll have a better chance next year – assuming the whole Stage vs. Street thing doesn’t blow up in the show’s face and Fox decides that episodes of World’s Funniest Fails and repeats of Empire would do better than another season of SYTYCD.

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    Not only was there no mention that there still had to be 10 men and 10 women in the top 20 (then again, they could have changed their minds after Vegas Week, but if they do end up with 10 of each, it won’t be a coincidence)

    It turns out they have 11 women and 9 men – at the moment; one of the announced Top 20 is injured and won’t be competing.  Please tell me that they didn’t know about the injury in advance, but appeared to put the person through anyway knowing that she (I don’t know that it’s one of the 11 women, but it has to be for this theory to play out) would be replaced by a man and it ended up 10-10 after all.

    Also, something doesn’t seem right about Denys’s withdrawal.  I don’t think there’s any way they would have aired it had he actually waited until the last second to announce it; there’s got to be more to it than this – either he has plans with his partner, or there’s some problem with his status (I don’t think he’s a US citizen, and unless he is, has a green card, or has a work permit good through the end of 2015, he’s not eligible).

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    VERY annoyed that the hebrew breaker asaf was added, because everyone saw that he was awful during vegas week!! I hope he gets voted off easily because people who watched vegas week saw how bad he was.

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    I ended up not watching the auditions and skipping straight to Vegas Week, and got caught up over the weekend.  I’m really surprised they ended up with more female than male contestants, and especially that the imbalance is more females on Team Street.  I guess in the past, most of the street dancers who have come to the Top 20 were people who were exceptional at a few specific things, and those things were generally done by males much more often than females.  But now with the setup of taking half street dancers, the focus shifted largely to who could pick up the choreography and looked to have the versatility to actually make an impact in the competition, and that favored the females this year.

    Even though I know he had some real problems with choreography, I LOVE Asaf, so I was pleasantly surprised to see he was the dancer who got back in.  (I thought it would be Standing O, who seemed to do quite well during Vegas Week but then was cut at the Green Mile like just any other contestant.)  It bugged me during Vegas when the judges had him dance for his life after the last round of choreography, because he actually did pick that one up pretty well, and the judges comment was basically that they expected him to be bad, but since he wasn’t, they’d let him dance for his life, which didn’t make sense to me.  I’m hoping he blossoms and gets a lot better at choreography, but it seems more likely he’ll get the boot pretty early.

    It was a nice intro to the Top 20 with some fun dance numbers.  My early favorites, aside from Asaf, are Edson, JJ, Virgil and Gaby.  I could easily see Gaby going all the way.  The judging panel is working for me so far as well, even though I miss Mary Murphy so much.  Paula has a lot more to contribute as a dance judge than she did as a singing judge.  Though, she said that this was the first time the show has had two male ballet dancers, and I don’t think that’s true.  There were also two during season nine, with Chehon, who won on the male side, and Daniel, who could never really connect during performances and was eliminated early.  I love Paula and Jason making these sweeping comments about the show as if they’ve been here all along.

    I am very excited about the special episode next Tuesday! 

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    I am very excited about the special episode next Tuesday! 

    Please, please, please, pleasepleaseplease, please, did I meantion “please”, please tell me that they are not going to invite “Sex” or any of the other notoriously bad dancers to this show, especially as it’s only one hour.

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    I was blindly hoping that it’ll be mostly clips of the show’s best dances from the past seasons.  There didn’t seem to be enough fanfare about it for special guests and such.

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    This show has always been a little classier than fancy guests that have nothing to do with the show, and the fan base includes people who have watched for years. Thus, I think they will bring back some of their dancers and have them do some of the best routines!

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    This show has always been a little classier than fancy guests that have nothing to do with the show, and the fan base includes people who have watched for years. Thus, I think they will bring back some of their dancers and have them do some of the best routines!

    I figure it will consist mainly of bringing out choreographers from past (and present) seasons who will introduce their favorite routines over the years.  Presumably, there will be a mention of the Emmy nominees, unless the special has already been recorded (or they mention them on Monday’s live show).  Any “bad dancers” would almost certainly be limited to a brief montage, but even that is something that I think they can do without.  Speaking of montages, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a montage of, “How many different ways has Cat pronounced the word ‘judges’ over the years?”.

    One person I would like to see: Lauren Sanchez.  Cat wasn’t always the host…

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    Why is Alexia predicted to do really bad in this competition? She is raved about. She will be around for a while.

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