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  • Richard Aniston
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    The Emmy Ballots are out and here are the submissions for 13RW. Turns out it was submitted for writing and the list posted before wasn’t complete. Also, Alisha Boe was submitted.

    OUTSTANDING DRAMA SERIES

    OUTSTANDING DIRECTING FOR A DRAMA SERIES
    Episode 12 (Tape 6, Side B) – Directed by Jessica Yu
    Episode 1 (Tape 1, Side A) – Directed by Tom McCarthy
    Episode 13 (Tape 7, Side A) – Directed by Kyle Patrick Alvarez

    OUTSTANDING WRITING FOR A DRAMA SERIES
    Episode 12 (Tape 6, Side B) –
    Episode 13 (Tape 7, Side A)

    OUTSTANDING ART DIRECTION
    Episode 2 (Tape 1, Side B)

    OUTSTANDING CINEMATOGRAPHY
    Episode 2 (Tape 1, Side B) – Director of Photography, Andrij Parekh

    OUTSTANDING CASTING FOR A DRAMA SERIES

    OUTSTANDING MAIN TITLE DESIGN

    OUTSTANDING LEAD ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES – Dylan Minnette
    OUTSTANDING LEAD ACTRESS IN A DRAMA SERIES – Katherine Langford

    OUTSTANDING SUPPORTING ACTRESS IN A DRAMA SERIES
    Alisha Boe
    Kate Walsh

    OUTSTANDING SUPPORTING ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES
    Ross Butler
    Tommy Dorfman

    OUTSTANDING GUEST ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES
    Wilson Cruz
    Steven Webber

    OUTSTANDING SINGLE-CAMERA PICTURE EDITING FOR A DRAMA SERIES
    Episode 13 (Tape 7, Side A) – Edited by Leo Trombetta

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    pulp50
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    Why was Derek Luke not submitted? It’s not going to get any supporting actors anyways but he obviously would have had the best chance.

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    Andrew D
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    OK so am i finishing this show and im still on the fence about it …. It was intriguing and had some “suspense” to it . But at the end of the day i cant decide if it didn’t glorify suicide … Did it make it seem more “cool and mysterious” . I dont know… At times i feel like they addressed that is not a great choice , but other times it feels like she is the heroine in this situation… IM really confused and dont really know how i feel overall… How does everyone else feel about it.

    “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
    ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby

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    pulp50
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    People should know I hate it by now. I think it glorifies suicide a little bit, or at least it’s definitely going to be interpreted that way. My biggest problem is really just the writing, the dialogue is so terrible, the characters are all clichés, it just feels really over dramatic and unrealistic. There were so many times especially in the latter half of it that I would LOL at things that were supposed to be serious because of how poorly written it was. It sort of pisses me off a bit that they never once mention depression or any mental illness too since suicide is almost never a result of bullying but of depression.

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    SayMyName
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    It’s an amazing show, and yes, sometimes the certain tapes doesn’t seem to be at all as dramatic, but if you have them all together, they can cause you damage. They would for me for sure. Also they show Hannah’s character as very emotional, dramatic and sensitive, so I do believe that there is no unrealistic segment in her character or at all in her reactions. Also, to say that suicide is almost never a result of bullying is rubbish as fuck. You have the depression because of bullying, not because of your life is happy, boy.

    I don’t find the dialogs weak at all. I think while writing is not the strongest part of the show, it’s still decent enough to appreciate the story. Suicide is a very important matter and I think they handle it well. It’s not too pushy, and they show the whole topic in the eyes of a teenager. Which is the whole point. They are way more melodramatic and sentimental than an actual adult. Obviously and adult would react differently, or not at all? You just never know. We are all different.

    What I like about the show is that it’s very effective. And that the performances are killers! I think this has one of the strongest casts on TV right now, most actors deserves serious Emmy push!

    Langford and Minnette are splendid! Wish they would be both on the Emmy list this July. Young actors are so underrated! There are also many worthy supporting performances such as Alisha Boe’s, Michele Selene Ang’s (surprised no one on earth mentioned her in this topic, she is just brilliant) or Kate Walsh’s. Not to mention Brandon Flynn or Christian Navarro’s. But like I said, all of them are very amazing.

    Overall I hope this one will surprise us with many Emmy mentions on nominations morning.

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    pulp50
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    Also, to say that suicide is almost never a result of bullying is rubbish as fuck. You have the depression because of bullying, not because of your life is happy, boy.

    So you’re saying you have to be bullied to be depressed and suicidal? Lots of people are bullied and most of them don’t commit suicide. Being bullied isn’t a requirement to be depressed. Depression isn’t caused by bullying most of the time, that’s just a fact.

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    SayMyName
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    What I am saying that in this case, she was bullied, that’s why she was sad and depressed, and that’s why she’s committed suicide. Obviously not all people kill themselves for being treated badly. I didn’t for sure.

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    Andrew D
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    as far as the show goes , i think the acting was good, but not awards worthy … I feel like Kate Walsh was the best and even her few breakdown scenes didnt feel genuine … the show was entertaining enough but i dont think it will or should be on the emmy radar.

    “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
    ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby

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    forwardswill
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    Dylan Minnette was fantastic in this but the show as a whole had severe problems. So much would have been gained by doing half hour episodes rather than hour ones.

    FYC: The Crown, Fleabag and AHS: Roanoke for Gold Derby TV Awards

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    Andrew D
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    I wasnt bothered by the scope of the show or by writing execution… i am more bothered by the potential glorifying of suicide . I didnt think the show was going to be a masterpiece and it wasnt so im not bothered by that.

    “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
    ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby

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    lovelylovely
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    What pissed me off about this show the most was the takeaway of it. I read so many people say, “after seeing this, i’ll always make sure to think before I speak.” Like you weren’t doing so before??? Your parents should’ve taught you this, not a tv show.

    It was also infuriating to hear how the producers ignored experts and the National Suicide Prevention’s warnings, but that’s a completely separate topic.

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    Andrew D
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    What pissed me off about this show the most was the takeaway of it. I read so many people say, “after seeing this, i’ll always make sure to think before I speak.” Like you weren’t doing so before??? Your parents should’ve taught you this, not a tv show.

    It was also infuriating to hear how the producers ignored experts and the National Suicide Prevention’s warnings, but that’s a completely separate topic.

    Yea thats bothersome… i used to work with girls in a group home and i just felt like they would have idolized this girl and her creativity surrounding her wanting to die … I know these girls were already near or in that mind space , but i fear the show may glamorize that process by skimming over depression and other symptoms before suicide.

    “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
    ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby

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    This is still the best series I’ve watched on TV this year and I’m rooting for it hard at the Emmys. The portrayals of these characters felt real and honest, and I disagree intensely with those on here that say differently. Mrs. Baker’s discovery of Hannah was the saddest thing I’ve seen this year but also the best performance.

    What about this series “glamorized” suicide? The last thing I thought was “wow, I wanna be like Hannah,” but instead thought “wow, I’d really like to help those who need it.”

    If people didn’t like this because of what was shown, then well, that’s real life and you’re only pushing the people who need help further away by saying you don’t agree with it.

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    This is still the best series I’ve watched on TV this year and I’m rooting for it hard at the Emmys. The portrayals of these characters felt real and honest, and I disagree intensely with those on here that say differently. Mrs. Baker’s discovery of Hannah was the saddest thing I’ve seen this year but also the best performance.

    What about this series “glamorized” suicide? The last thing I thought was “wow, I wanna be like Hannah,” but instead thought “wow, I’d really like to help those who need it.”

    If people didn’t like this because of what was shown, then well, that’s real life and you’re only pushing the people who need help further away by saying you don’t agree with it.

    From a tv Standpoint Kate Walsh didn’t make me feel her pain at all .. She was cold and distant .

    As for the rest of your comments i can tell you haven’t worked with kids in this mind frame nor maybe struggled with it yourself . because if you have you would see how this show glamorized the idea of suicide by making it mysterious and making the victim ( Hannah) get the upper hand by ending her life and then making the people she blamed accountable for her actions . Now i am not saying some of those kids didn’t commit crimes. but some of them we just being mean and being mean is not a crime. I spent years working with girls who have had far worse lives than Hannah and some of them would have looked at this and seen it for that . they would have seen this show as a glamorous way to end ones life.

    so my problem is that they ignored feedback about how the show is triggering and how the shows message is not a positive one… now most of us can watch it and not want to be Hannah but there is a population of people on this earth that would like to be Hannah and even if this show only make one person feel like thats a positive then this show should have never been made.

    “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
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    What about this series “glamorized” suicide? The last thing I thought was “wow, I wanna be like Hannah,” but instead thought “wow, I’d really like to help those who need it.”

    If people didn’t like this because of what was shown, then well, that’s real life and you’re only pushing the people who need help further away by saying you don’t agree with it.

    You feel this way because you’re grown. Your frontal lobe has likely totally developed and you can make competent long-term decision making. This is not true of the show’s target audience who still have malleable, mushy brains and get on Teen Mom saying that they didn’t take birth control because they didn’t want to get fat and who knocked a girl up because unprotected sex just feels so much better. Truth.

    Many of these mushy-brained teens teetering on the edge are not looking at Hannah like she failed. “Well she did fail,” is the most common counterargument I see. “She may have gotten the effect she wanted from the tapes, but she’s still dead, she doesn’t get to see it.” But that’s not how everyone is going to interpret this. She DID get what she want, she ruined the lives that ruined hers, she made others suffer because she couldn’t take it. And as a formerly mushy-brained, formerly suicidal former teen THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED, TOO. Viewing suicide as this last way of getting back at those who wronged you, finding some way to let the world know that so-and-so hurt you, that it was so-and-so’s fault, is the exact sort of immature, but commonplace, goal and desire from someone who feels powerless to abuse and bullying. That you have no power to get people to stop abusing you, but you can hope to make them suffer after you’re gone by taking away the one thing you have control over.

    I understand this isn’t everyone’s experience. Some people just want to end it to make the pain stop. I get that. But Hannah was successful and victorious after her death. Not that this is “real” “life” which is what you argue. Most people don’t even leave suicide notes because suicide tends to be impulsive and sudden, much less leave a bunch of tapes that any cruel teen would just throw away or break (no impulse control). Yes, suicide is real, but this is like… the most unrealistic way of going about portraying it. Had it been focused on someone like Skye and her issues it would have been more realistic. This is like watching Skins to understand teen drug abuse in England. It’s not real. But there are real consequences. I already vented yesterday about how depicting Hannah’s suicide was unhealthy and wrong on an expert level.

    Not to mention that it’s fucked up that the show made sure to depict one effective emotional landline as a completely incompetent boob (school counselor). Like how does that not send the message that your counselors and other viable forms of psychiatric counseling can’t help you! Don’t bother reaching out, don’t talk to an adult who is qualified to help you, they’re just going to blame you and tell you to get over it. What the fuck. Instead have this revenge fantasy that’s going to work. People in real life DO need help. They need other kids to stop being jackasses, but let’s be real, that’s never going to happen no matter how many tweens virtue signal tweets about how 13 Reasons Why taught them to be nice to others (which is worrying in general that we need a TV show to teach us basic human decency but whatever, kids are cruel). But suicidal people need someone to talk to, they need someone developed who can support them and give them professional guidance. Implying that they’re not safe with a counselor was totally irresponsible.

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