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  • Bee
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    I watched the first episode and it’s solid. Whoever plays Hannah is actually very good. None of the acting was bad. Direction was decent. But I think my main issue with the entire story is less to do with the script and more to do with characterization and the intention of it all.

    I hated the book because Jay Asher made Hannah unlikable. The act of actually recording your suicide notes and sending it to someone is both masturbatory and interesting. Hearing Hannah’s narration reminded me of Amy Dunne from Gone Girl; a person who is portrayed as this normal girl/woman explaining the details of her life in a Clue-like and otherworldly manner. The girl next door who is beautiful or at the very least pretty but there is something off about her.

    This worked for Amy because she turned out to be psychotically disturbed and a murderous master manipulator. She was an unreliable narrator by the way she was written and by the reader’s perception of her and the novel as a whole and that’s what made it so fascinating.

    With Hannah Baker, her mysterious nature feels like a trope used to make her seem like the ultimate figure of morality. As a way to say “see what happens when you do so and so” all the while trying to make her remain innocent and blaming her suicide on everyone else so they can be involved in one huge miserable orgy. She doesn’t kill herself because she saw it as a solution or because she wanted the pain to stop, she does it to get back at the people who have done her wrong for reasons that are arguable trivial. This is a major reason why I hated the book. But that’s me.

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    Bee
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    I felt it from the beginning. And a lot of her reasons were bullshit.

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    I felt it from the beginning. And a lot of her reasons were bullshit.

    Just to be clear I know you were talking about the book but I was talking about the show. I should have stated that.

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    I tried to edit my comment and it deleted what the hell. I was trying to specify that I was talking about the show. This is what I said earlier:

    I watched the first episode and it’s solid. Whoever plays Hannah is actually very good. None of the acting was bad. Direction was decent. But I think my main issue with the entire story is less to do with the script and more to do with characterization and the intention of it all.

    I hated the book because Jay Asher made Hannah unlikable. The act of actually recording your suicide notes and sending it to someone is both masturbatory and interesting. Hearing Hannah’s narration reminded me of Amy Dunne from Gone Girl; a person who is portrayed as this normal girl/woman explaining the details of her life in a Clue-like and otherworldly manner. The girl next door who is beautiful or at the very least pretty but there is something off about her.

    This worked for Amy because she turned out to be psychotically disturbed and a murderous master manipulator. She was an unreliable narrator by the way she was written and by the reader’s perception of her and the novel as a whole and that’s what made it so fascinating.

    With Hannah Baker, her mysterious nature feels like a trope used to make her seem like the ultimate figure of morality. As a way to say “see what happens when you do so and so” all the while trying to make her remain innocent and blaming her suicide on everyone else so they can be involved in one huge miserable orgy. She doesn’t kill herself because she saw it as a solution or because she wanted the pain to stop, she does it to get back at the people who have done her wrong for reasons that are arguable trivial. This is a major reason why I hated the book. But that’s me.

    Toward the middle (of the show) I started to think she wasn’t likable but I did not have that problem by the end.

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    Denis
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    I finished this today, that is definetely devastating, the final scene where she slit her wrists are horrifying, I could not watch. They left a pretty open way for season 2 with Tyler possibly planning a mass muder. Langford, Minnete, Luke, Walsh and Boe should definetely get nominations for this, Navarro was also amazing. This reminded so much of “Perks of being a Wallflower” with a different theme , one of my favorite movies of all time.

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    Bee
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    I’m less sympathetic when it comes to Perks of Being a Wallflower and its themes but I see where you’re going with it. I can’t remember the last teen movie that fully captivated me.

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    Denis
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    It also has the best “Teen” cast since “Friday Night Lights”.

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    So I don’t think this is going to do good at the Emmys but what do y’all think? In suprises by how popular it seems. Everybody I know is watching it. However, my peer group is much younger than the Emmy voters. Usually teen shows don’t do well at the emmys, but the subject matter is so important that it could make it seem more legit. It also has Tom McCarthy, so that adds stature to the project. I would love to see Langford, Minette, Walsh, and Boe recognized but I don’t see that happening outside of maybe Walsh. This show could gain major momentum a la Stranger Things and suprise us if it does good with the public, but I don’t think that’ll happen. Langford was my personal MVP, but it is so competitive that I really doubt she has a chance.

    Also, I know they oubviously set up a second season, but I’m curious to see if Netflix will try and push this into limited since they have so many contenders in drama.

    So for now I’m gonna say this show has no chance but I’m curious to hear what y’all think.

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    Bee
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    It’ll be lucky to get a directing and an acting nomination but this is not on the Emmys radar. I would be shocked if it got in for Series and writing. This would fair better for Golden Globes and I don’t think it’s a big juggernaut like Glee was.

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    I just finished the series. I personally thought it was great and matched the positive reviews it has been receiving. I too had read the book a year or two ago, and felt it was a faithful adaptation. There is a lot of prestiege attached to the series that should gain it some Emmy attention, but we will see.

    I think its chances will definitely be determined by category placement. I don’t think this would be placed in Children’s Program, but who knows… they could try for it (Degrassi:The Next Generation has been nominated there… although this series has TV MA language and content, so probably not).

    More than likely, 13 REASONS WHY will be placed in TV Miniseries (and it should be). I don’t see this series continuing on for 2nd season… I think it will be in bad form if they just choose another character from this cast to make 13 cassette tapes highlighting why they did something else bad or hurt themselves or others (which unfortunately this series did leave open to happening). Besides, a lot of these actors have already booked their next projects and are moving on to feature films based on the acclaim for their performances from this series.

    If not in Best Miniseries, I would love for the series to at least breakthrough and surprise in the following categories:

    1) Dylan Minnette for Lead Actor in a TV Movie/Miniseries
    2) Kate Walsh for Supporting Actress in a TV Movie/Miniseries
    3) Directing for a TV Movie/MiniseriesTom McCarthy, “Tape 1, Side A”
    4) Writing for a TV Movie/MiniseriesBrian Yorkey, “Tape 1, Side A”
    5) Outstanding Casting for a TV Movie/Miniseries

    I think those are the best bets. I would personally add the following nominations as well…

    6) Directing for a TV Movie/MiniseriesGreg Araki, “Tape 4, Side A”
    7) Katherine Langford for Lead Actress in a TV Movie/Miniseries
    8) Miles Heizer for Supporting Actor in a TV Movie/Miniseries

    Depending on the other miniseries and their quality, we will see if this can score a Best Miniseries nomination… Netflix would have to push HARD though to get past voter bias against the coming of age theme.

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    They easily Set it up for a second season. I don’t see it going Limited. There is already tons of talk about season two. The trial, Tyler shooting up the school, Walsh’s reaction to the tapes, Bryce using money to not go to jail. I don’t want a season two, but this show was suprisingly huge so I doubt they stop.

    Also, am I crazy for preferring Alisha Boe over Kate Walsh. They are both good but I thought Walsh was better.

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    Tony Ruiz
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    I’ve watched the first five, and though there is a lot of great acting, I just don’t find myself caring about the story very much. It seems like they are stretching an eight episode concept into a longer series. The show just lags in too many places, twisting itself into knots to justify its lengthy running time. Too many of the scenes go on and on, and just don’t advance the plot. I think if they had kept it so that only Clay was listening to the tapes, there might be more suspense. But everyone hearing them makes some of the conversations nonsensical. Great performances, particularly by the two young leads. Kate Walsh is quite good as well.

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    So I just watched the first episode and while this is obviously only a very early impression I’m not nearly as impressed as most people here seem to be. First off, the cast has been getting a ton of praise, and the two leads are great and have a ton of chemistry. Walsh was great in her one scene and I’m looking forward to more of her. A lot of the other kids are really terrible though. That exchange Clay had with that girl saying they all just need to be there for each other was so cringeworthy.
    The actual plot is fairly interesting and I think McCarthy does a good job of moving things along at a good pace in this episode, although I see some of you, and in critical reviews complaining about that later on. I just can’t help but think back to when I was in high school, which was really not long ago at all, and much of what’s happening just doesn’t ring true for me. The way they seem to be reacting to suicide as a school, doesn’t feel real to me. My school did experience this issue, and again it was very recent so it’s not like things have changed that would make how kids react to it any different than it would if it was like the 90s or something. So many things about the way teens talk and act that aren’t realistic. A lot of it can be forgiven as long as it’s still entertaining. Like Hannah leaving Justin on the bus would never happen but it was funny. One that didn’t work was her picture being passed around, that was just completely unrealistic and how it was supposed to be this big deal I needed more realism. I also wish the story would just let the drama unfold more organically without adding in something stupid like Tony creeping around at night. I’m being pretty negative but overall I actually liked it quite a bit and I’m very interested to see how it goes from here.

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    sofan
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    This is a great show and with the category being almost completely empty returning nominees-wise a great campaign could take Kate Walsh really far in the race. She is incredible throughout the series and the moment she discovers Hannah’s body sealed the deal for me.

    BTW, since somebody mentioned Perks of Being a Wallflower, Walsh was playing the mother there too. When it comes to choosing teen projects she seems to know quality.

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    I just finished the series, and I was really impressed by it. This is definitely one of the strongest shows of the year thus far, and deserves a considerable audience.

    In terms of awards, I think it would fare better running as a miniseries, but considering the inexplicable move in Episode 13 to set up a handful of threads for season two, this seems unlikely.

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