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  • Someonelikeme
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    With 6 nominees in all of the acting categories,, and ranking system in tow, are there any foreseeable ties in any acting categories at the Emmys this year? What do you guys think?

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    dude93
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    I think it was said in the past that ties are impossible at the Emmys – is this true?

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    vinny
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    I would LOVE to see a tie for best supporting actor in a drama series with Aaron Paul and Dinklage.

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    That Don Guy
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    I think it was said in the past that ties are impossible at the Emmys – is this true?

    If it’s a 0-10 “high score wins” rating system, then ties should be possible, even with a “tied ratings are broken by whoever had the higher ranking on more ballots” system and an odd number of ballots, since it should be possible for someone to give both of the tied performers the same rating.

    If it’s preferrential, then there are ways to prevent ties – have an odd number of voters, and if there is a tie for the fewest votes at any stage in the counting, use the “head-to-head” system, and if worse comes to worse, have somebody at Ernst & Young randomly choose one to remove.

    The most recent performer tie I could find was in 1995; Judy Davis and Shirley Knight tied for Supporting Miniseries/Movie Actress.

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    Reiza Rinah Ray
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    They don’t allow ties now. The rules were set back in the early 21st century when they started submitting tapes.

    However, if they did allow ties, I would bet for a tie between Tony Hale and Andre Braugher for Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series.

    Andre Braugher is so superb in “Christmas” and very great.

    As for Tony Hale, I fell in love with him the moment Veep premiered. He was holding the V.P’s coffee and trying to tell her who’s who. But for the second season, he is still as awesome. As for the third.

     

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    That Don Guy
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    They don’t allow ties now. The rules were set back in the early 21st century when they started submitting tapes.

    Pardon me for asking, but how do they enforce this?  With at-home judging, the only people who know if there would be a tie are the accountants.

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    Someonelikeme
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    ^Exactly. You can’t stop it, if by some off chance to nominees have the exact same of votes or are extremely close in numbers. At that point, i’d imagine they’d consult with someone at the Academy, who oversees the ballots, to declare a winner, or a tie.

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    Reiza Rinah Ray
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    [quote=”TheUEFL”]They don’t allow ties now. The rules were set back in the early 21st century when they started submitting tapes.

    Pardon me for asking, but how do they enforce this?  With at-home judging, the only people who know if there would be a tie are the accountants.
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    Here is the rule about ties:

    If there is any ties between two parties or more,

    A) The party with the most #1 placement on ballots advances with the win. If there is also a tie here
    B) The party with the most #2 placement on ballots advances with the win. If there is also a tie here
    C) And so forth downward.

    If there is a tie in all (which NEVER happened for all I know), then IT IS NOT LISTED IN THE RULES.

    However, a case where ties had the same number of ballots from #1 downward never ceased to exist since they started the 21st Century.

    In addition, if I were you, I would read the Academy rulebook. Yes, I read those things because some of us (pointing to Emmy voters) wants to understand the process. And that is why I am not voting for Orange Is The New Black for Best Comedy; puttingit Number 6. 

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    Reiza Rinah Ray
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    ^Exactly. You can’t stop it, if by some off chance to nominees have the exact same of votes or are extremely close in numbers. At that point, i’d imagine they’d consult with someone at the Academy, who oversees the ballots, to declare a winner, or a tie.

    No, that can never happen.

    Even if someone is close in number to the one with most votes, there is no tie.

    And, one person can’t declare a winner or tie. As I stated, after there is a tie in final voting, the Ballot Counters (Ernst & Young) exceeds by:

    A) Counting the TIES ONLY #1 slots. The one with the most wins; if tie,
    B) Counting the TIES ONLY #2 slots. The one with the most wins, if tie,
    C) It shall continue downward the number placements. If there is a tie
    D) It is not stated in the Academy rulebook because they never had a problem like this

    The only Academy of the EGOT to allow this TIES are the Oscars. (I don’t know much about the Tony’s). 

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    That Don Guy
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    In addition, if I were you, I would read the Academy rulebook. Yes, I read those things because some of us (pointing to Emmy voters) wants to understand the process. And that is why I am not voting for Orange Is The New Black for Best Comedy; puttingit Number 6. 

    The only “Academy rulebook” I can find is the “2013-14 Primetime Emmy Awards Rules and Procedures,” which not only doesn’t mention ties in deciding the winner, but barely mentions how winners are decided in non-area/juried categories at all – all it says is, “Peer groups determine the judging systems for their branch. Emmy judging can be a ratings-score system based on categories of evaluation, or preferential voting in which the nominations are ranked.”  Something tells me that the detailed rules are available only to Academy members (the way that the “NASCAR rulebook” is available only to NASCAR teams, and not to the general public.)

    Since you seem to have more information about how the Emmys work than I do, could you answer a couple of questions for me:

    1. Does the “no ties” rule apply to Areas (I don’t mean when two or more nominees get 90% or more ‘yes’ votes each – I assume that when the blue ribbon panel votes on an Area, there are checkboxes next to each nominee, and each panelist can vote for any number of them, including zero; whichever one gets the most votes wins the Emmy, with any other nominee getting at least 90% winning one as well; I am talking about a situation where two nominees get the same number of ‘yes’ votes)?

    2. While Choreography has nominees, it is considered a “juried” award, but it must have at least one winner; what happens if none of the nominees reach the “unanimous except for 1 ‘no’ vote per 12 panelists or fraction thereof” threshhold?

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    The most recent performer tie I could find was in 1995; Judy Davis and Shirley Knight tied for Supporting Miniseries/Movie Actress.

    Both good performances, but I’d easily pick Shirley Knight…that scene where she entered the prison and had to remove her clothing was haunting.

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    Jose Manuel Garcia
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    Last year there were two categories at the Grammys where you find ties. 
    And there had been ties at the emmys, but with this division between Areas, it is highly complicated to know 

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