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    Season 5 opens in 1931 with Nucky in Cuba,
    where he presses a U.S. senator on the likelihood of Prohibition’s
    repeal and eyes a future business deal with a rum magnate. Meanwhile,
    Margaret witnesses a casualty of
    the Great Depression on Wall Street; Luciano makes a bold career move;
    Chalky catches a break to get out of a bad situation; and in a flashback
    to 1884, a young Nucky makes an impression on the Commodore.

    TRAILER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDRcAWjyUYM

    The final season of Boardwalk Empire will have 8 episodes and is set to premiere on Sunday 9:00 PM Sep 07, 2014 on HBO.

    Excited everyone? I know I am.

    Discuss.

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    ViceWicked
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    I am! And it’s a shame because season 4 is so much better than half of the nominees for Outstanding Drama Series this year.

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    Denis
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    Episode 1: Golden Days for Boys and Girls

    Season 5 opens in 1931 with Nucky in Cuba,
    where he presses a U.S. senator on the likelihood of Prohibition’s
    repeal and eyes a future business deal with a rum magnate. Meanwhile,
    Margaret witnesses a casualty of
    the Great Depression on Wall Street; Luciano makes a bold career move;
    Chalky catches a break to get out of a bad situation; and in a flashback
    to 1884, a young Nucky makes an impression on the Commodore

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    WaltEagle
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    A lot of people say the supporting characters make the show and Nucky is an awful protagonist. My thoughts: 

    As for Nucky being one of the worst TV protagonists ever, he’s not. He’s on an often great show, so that alone makes it already extremely unlikely. This show has good writing most of the time, so he just isn’t. There are a ton of shitty TV protagonists throughout history. Nucky’d be somewhere in the middle; there’s always rich terrain to be mined from an antihero story, he has numerous great episodes and stories, and he is played by a great actor who admittedly can’t always salvage the problematic storylines he’ll sometimes get. He has chemistry (acting and writing) with a lot of his main co-stars; in fact, when he’s paired with regulars instead of guest stars, he’s almost always great. Even if these plots this year seem sprawling, the show has won my trust four seasons in a row that their seemingly irrelevant early season threads and subplots will mostly pay off in some way later on; they do it like no other show. That doesn’t justify boring time spent fully, but it makes the early going less confounding to remember that, and ultimately less flawed.

    He is, however, one of the weakest regular characters on this show. Offhand I like him more than Lucy and Roy Phillips, and since Willie’s a regular now I like him more than Willie. The Commodore, Gyp, and Luciano would be in a similar ballpark to how much I like Nucky. Everyone else is way ahead, including Margaret, who I realize many people hate. The main character shouldn’t be that low on the list.

    I thought they had figured out that a good chunk of viewers weren’t into Nucky (there are still a lot of people who like him out there). Last season, they used him very smartly. There was about as much Nucky as Season 2 (a year very heavy on various subplots, mainly Jimmy and Margaret). But more than any other season, Nucky didn’t have a dominant story. He was a supporting player in all of the stories, so he was the lead in that way. Season 4’s A-story was Chalky vs. Narcisse. The B-story was Eli, Willie, and Tolliver. Nucky was a sizeable part of both, but Chalky and Eli were the action and acting protagonists. Van Alden, Capone, and Gillian each had a solid story that Nucky never touched, and Richard’s was mostly self-contained too. Season 4 was Boardwalk’s best year because they didn’t force Nucky for the sake of Nucky.

    Now they’re doubling down on Nucky, in many ways. The premiere uses flashbacks, and doesn’t really check in on other people consistently besides Chalky, so Nucky is effectively the A-story and the B-story, when we’ve been waiting so long for the whole ensemble.

    The flashbacks, as I said, beat the Cuba stuff handily in relevance and quality. The show is Nucky’s story, so building up to his defining moment (delivering Gillian to the Commodore, and Jimmy’s birth) has some value, and is in many ways more important to what this show actually is (not what a loud portion of the fanbase wants it to be) than some cool mob moments relating to ultimately tangential characters like Remus and Bader (even Masseria is just a building block in Luciano’s admittedly rushed, awkward, and underdeveloped story). But it looks like the flashbacks might eat up a lot of time. And while Gillian, Commodore, Ethan, etc. are important (and young Ethan and Commodore are very well-cast), we pretty much already had a strong sense of what happened to form Nucky and even Eli. A series of Thompson childhood flashbacks is a thing that would have made sense to do for an episode, but not over the course of a whole season (no idea if it will be every episode or always so many scenes, though it being both seems unlikely). The appeal of Nucky and Eli’s relationship and family story is mostly in what Buscemi and Whigham bring to the table, especially together.

    But present-day Nucky was just a misfire this week. The best premieres have set up his dynamics with the likes of Eli, Margaret, Jimmy, Chalky, Rothstein, Mickey, etc. Here we have him with Sally and a bunch of new characters, and (unlike Richard, Van Alden, and Chalky–all effectively protagonists of their own subplots) Nucky is not always compelling enough to consistently produce great scenes with new people we don’t care about. He makes a fine lead when he’s anchored to Atlantic City and the various storylines he has to deal with (Season 3 is the only one where he didn’t really have a co-lead like Jimmy or Chalky, yet Nucky is great that year just because he doesn’t stray too far from the overall narrative of the ensemble). Next episode there are still some flashbacks, but he’s paired with Luciano and probably some other big central stuff, so it shows greater promise. I also think it makes sense that the premiere would be disproportionately Nucky-centric compared to other episodes.  

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    Denis
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    I liked it, the flashbacks were a great addition, in my opinion, however I agre with you WaltEagle, that it should not last longer than 1 or 2 episodes.  Chalky White’s story is just fascinating to watch, and I can’t wait for Capone, Val Alden, welcome back my favorite show airing!

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    vinny
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    That episode was really good but I really hope they kill off Patricia’s character before the finale. Anyways my grade is : B+

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    Why would you want them to kill of Sally vinny. I think she has been a great addition to the show and would be sad to see her go because Arquette has such a natural charisma and she really brings a good side out of Nucky.

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    This was such an aesthetically pleasing hour of television. I’m usually -_- about getting backstory this late into a run of the show, but from what they are setting up with this final season, I’ll look over it.

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    Denis
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    I also don’t get why vinny wants Arquette gone hehe, different opinions maybe.   I also think she brings such rivety to whatever role she plays , and this ain’t a bad one, I think she is as good as Margarett was at Kelly McDonald’s best.

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    Some of the flashbacks worked damn well as scenes, I just didn’t need so many. Ian “Professor Quirrell” Hart is a terrific young Ethan, and the Commodore eerily channels Dabney Coleman. They could tell that story adequately in half the time though.

    The Cuba stuff kinda sucked, though I really loved the visual contrast to Chalky’s scenes. The guest performances were actually pretty good too. But it was so dull content-wise that it really lit up when Meyer showed up so, so briefly. That’s evidence Nucky is better tied to the main narrative, because it’s actually kinda exciting just to see him spar with someone else we also care about.

    Chalky got the most story of anyone else, much of it appropriately silent. And MKW still managed to kinda steal the episode. I didn’t adore the scenes in this episode, but I love the place his story is at now.

    I found the Margaret scenes pretty great. Her boss’ suicide was probably the best scene of the episode. I’m guessing she’s tied back to the main narrative very soon.

    The Luciano stuff was good. I don’t have a problem with how Masseria was offed; it was a time jump and he was a guest star. I actually feel it was pretty much already set up in all of his scenes belittling Luciano. I guess I personally would have given him another scene earlier in this episode, but the surprise factor isn’t a bad call. Far less offensive than killing Manny Horwitz in a premiere, which itself wasn’t the end of the world, although there was far more untapped potential with Manny. This was the first time Vincent Piazza really impressed me; I always thought he was easily the weak link of the surviving original cast.

    After the Cuba stuff my biggest gripe would be the handling of Rothstein. Way more offensive than arguably offing Masseria with too little fanfare. I’m fairly certain we’ll see his death this season (Winter said flashbacks will also be used to bridge the gap and I bet that means mainly this, plus Stuhlbarg has earned at least that). They undeniably don’t really spell it out enough for casual viewers, even with the “previously on”. I think this episode only refers to him as “AR” and then the “Redstone” file. It’s just super awkward and strangely glossed over without being ignored. Hopefully it’s kinda rectified whenever it’s addressed more directly.

    Also kind of a relief to have an episode with no lengthy pointless nudity scene. Game of Thrones gets more flack for nudity, but I think it usually makes sense that people are naked on that show, plus Game of Thrones has way more feminist characters to contextualize and justify some of those scenes. Boardwalk’s nudity is generally far more gratuitous and pointless, closer to the True Blood end of the spectrum. For a show that thrives on classiness, rich dialogue, and history, it just feels jarringly unclassy a lot of the time. 

    MIA: Narcisse, Willie, Gillian, Mickey, Van Alden, Capone, (adult) Eli. I was really hoping for a Chicago story in the premiere with that dream team, but I understand why they wouldn’t have time to do it justice in such a busy, Nucky-heavy hour.

    Mostly I really hope they go down to one or two flashback sequences in other episodes. I don’t really want to be watching a version of this show where the two most prominent actors are both playing Nucky.

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    Why would you want them to kill of Sally vinny. I think she has been a great addition to the show and would be sad to see her go because Arquette has such a natural charisma and she really brings a good side out of Nucky.

    She is the on character on the show I just can’t stand.   

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    Episode 2: The Good Listener

    Nucky visits Johnny Torrio in New York City to
    discuss his close call in Cuba and find out if new Mafia boss Salvatore
    Maranzano had anything to do with it. Meanwhile, law-school graduate
    Willie has a job
    interview; Eli and Nelson’s liquor stash is raided by Eliot Ness in
    Chicago; and Joseph Kennedy listens to Nucky’s pitch for
    post-Prohibition prosperity. Also: A young Nucky and his family mourn
    the loss of his sister, Susan, in 1884.

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    So just some notes I took mental inventory of:

    Gillian is just one of those characters that I wish they got rid of a long time ago (like before she hooked up with her son)
    . Van Alden still is one of my favs on the show but I wish they would give him a little more to do but he had my fav line of this season so far (“why must it always be pandemonium?”). Joseph Kennedy…..interesting. If Willie is the one that brings Nuckie down I am going to be pretty happy. Graham as Capone is awesome. He might be Emmy bound.     

    Anyways, my grade is: A  

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    Denis
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    Graham is dynamite, if his character is given a little more depth, I don’t see how he can’t win an emmy. This episode ended with the one thing makes me love this show, the style, and what a way to end an episode. The Kid playing young Nucky is so good, I just needed Nucky to explode emotionally for having such a horrendous childhood, they need to let Buscemi get it all out before the series end, all I wanna see.

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    Episode 3: What Jesus Said


    Margaret finds herself in a pickle due to her
    dealings with the late Arnold Rothstein when his widow starts snooping
    around his covert affairs. Meanwhile, Chalky wonders where his latest
    partnership is going; Nucky talks shop with
    a prominent businessman from Boston; Luciano and Siegel try to strike a
    deal with Narcisse in Harlem; and in 1884, a young Nucky works hard at
    the hotel and catches the eye of a girl who’s vacationing with her
    parents

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