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Can we just take a moment to discuss the hilarious wins that were Merritt Wever and Tony Hale?

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  • dude93
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    How in the hell did Merritt Wever win? I’m delighted for her, but I gotta say I didn’t even watch her episode when judging this category. I just automatically shoved it down to 7th place… Never again! What a hilariously upset of a win! What did she do in her episode that pushed for the win do you guys think? Was she hilariously comic in her episode? What happened to poor Jane Krakowski? 

    And also… Tony Hale! What a delightful surprise. Did he have Arrested Development fans to bump up his chances for a Veep win? We all thought he was great in his episode, but it was agreed that he had only fleeting moments and no really meaty scenes to justify a win.

    This also answers another thread written about the idea of having 2 or 3 people from the same show in one single category and being beaten by a singular nominee from another show.

    What an interesting turn out this year!

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    Renaton
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    Wever I think won because they just really, really like Nurse Jackie?  She didn’t have a tape, her screentime was limited, she wasn’t that funny, she didn’t have much range, she didn’t have impact… I’m surprised. I think Modern Family lost support, they just don’t like Jenna, Bialik is a polarizing person in the TV industry, Chlumsky didn’t make much of a case for herself in the submission (as much as Veep fanboys insist otherwise), and Lynch was a previous winner with a weak submission in a show they don’t care about anymore. So in a scattered competition they just went for the season-long performance they like the most? For the show actors like the most (since it keeps getting these 3 nominations)? I don’t know.

    Hale is a bit easier to explain, but I still had him dead last. I actually thought he was more deserving than MF guys based on season long performance (ok, maybe not Burrell). But his tape wasn’t really that good for him, he had no buzz, he lacked screentime… But then again, maybe they just went for favorite season long now that the actors are rejecting Modern Family, we’ll neer award an SNL actor here, and Girls submissions are always polarizing.  

    People keep saying it was based on tapes, but those two wins weren’t based on tapes. I think it really is a coincidence that Parsons and JLD happened to have submissions to back up their wins. The comedy categories are just one big mess now.

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Merritt Wever was the only real 100% SHOCK last night. And even as a fan of the show and a huge fan of Zooey, it will remain unexplainable. Not even Nurse Jackie love can justify this, otherwise they would’ve recieved some other (deserved) key nominations.

    Tony Hale had the tape. He was my choice for best tape back in july when all the tapes were revealed and I had him second. I did have Burrell locked in first place because of the overall MF tapes, but Hale’s was easily the best in the category. And in my unfair thinking, his perfect AD episode/performance did count for something, so my vote would’ve gone for him in a even bigger way. There’s no shock here. He was predicted by some if not first then second or third, but dead last so this could be a Merritt Wever type shock, couldn’t have been the general thinking here.

    (And I just searched for my post and that’s pretty much what I said back then).

    A bigger shock was Jeff Daniels. Quite shocking not because of the tape but because of the show. We all knew this Pilot was enough for a win, it was baity all over, but the show is so underwhelming and the Emmys cared so little for it that I never thought he could actually win. An even bigger shock was The Hour winning screenplay, that’s even more hilarious because I was sure we were going into the Candelabra Awards Hour and they shut my mouth right away with the first award.

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    dude93
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    It’s just too funny thought that all the talk was Burrell Burrell Burrell and Bowen Bowen Bowen  and the whole Bowen/Krakowski debate. Poor Wever was there in the background and no one had even considered her. 

    It’s
    All the shocks though, when it came to some of the more familiar categories like best comedy actress and actor, I thought, here we go… and the Emmy goes to Matt LeBlanc or Edie Falco! It was one of those nights where anything went!

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    Renaton
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    Nurse Jackie is popular with the acting branch and it shows, as it got three nominations for this weak ass season. I do think Nurse Jackie love had something to do with it.

    I’m sorry, but even if Hale wasn’t dead last on most people’s predictions, it didn’t make sense to have him at second. He doesn’t appear to be that well positioned when you first glance it. And I’d bet money that Arrested Development had nothing to do with his win. He won because in a weak year, even with a weak submission, he was still the character voters simply liked the most regardless of tape. Just shows how weak the line-up was that someone can win based more on season-long performance and show support than actual submission even when they don’t have buzz. Like I said, I don’t mind him winning. Him, Driver and Burrell are clearly the best and most deserving ones this year. But in terms of him beating this competition? Kinda random. 

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    nahborghi
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    I don’t think Tony Hale’s win is that much of a shock. Based on tapes, I had him in second. And in my opinion, he didn’t even send his best episode. I think that what ocurred in the sup actor category was vote spliting between the three MF guys, and Hale was the less damaged of the rest. I’m absolutely thrilled about his win though.

    I don’t know what happened to Merritt Weaver. I screamed at my tv. It doesn’t make sense, her tape was… there was nothing worthy in there. Completely random win, if you ask me. Poor Jane Krakowski.

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    Gabriel
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    I guess what happened was that the voters must have been fans of Nurse Jackie and Merritt’s work over the season as a whole, or maybe all 5 seasons, even. Personally, I liked her submission, but I can see why people didn’t think it was as baity as the others.

    I can’t stress enough how devastated I am for Jane Krakowski (seriously, I’m crushed), but at least she lost to someone who’s actually a talented actress. Merritt Wever is a highly skilled performer, who puts a lot of thought and detail into her characterization of Zoey. Not to mention she’s extremely, extremely, likeable.

    I didn’t think her win was really that shocking at all, to be honest. Unexpected, yes. Shocking, no. But then again I’ve seen every episode of Nurse Jackie, and I know how amazing she is on the show. What I’ve noticed, though, is that most people dismissing Wever/her win haven’t even seen her work. Case in point: the starter of this thread.

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    I had Tony Hale in second, then dropped him to third and a few days ago dropped him to fourth. My initial instinct was correct. They liked what they saw. Ty Burrell was the only alternative so maybe they were tired of “Modern Family”.

    Merritt Wever I have no clue. But historically, supporting actress is the category where huge upsets have occurred at the Oscars and Emmys.

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    nahborghi, there is no such thing as vote-splitting here because it is a preferential ballot.

    Something that I have been saying is that this feels very much like a year in which Modern Family wins comedy series and something else and that is it.  Mad Men‘s fourth win was accompanied only by hairstyling, The West Wing‘s fourth win was accompanied only by directing and now Modern Family‘s fourth win was accompanied only by directing.  The show was clearly running on fumes.

    Now,
    having said that, I just could not bring myself to predict against it
    in a number of categories because there were no truly viable
    alternatives.

    I happened to like Julie Bowen’s tape and I really
    did think that it was the best comedy supporting actress tape of the
    year, but it was a lightweight tape and there is no way that it is a
    three-time Emmy-winning role.  But there were no truly viable
    alternatives.  I have talked at length about how Jane Krakowski’s tape
    is no different from any of her other years.  I kept Krakowski in second
    since everyone else had her winning.  Mayim Bialik seemed to be the
    only other possibility since multi-camera people have won, even with
    subpar tapes (see Jim Parsons this year).

    But Merritt Wever won
    when she did nothing remotely Emmy-worthy in her tape and I do not even
    know why she is nominated.  Given that this was a lightweight category,
    could this have been a case of them throwing out the tapes and just
    going with their favourite?  That theory explains how Krakowski did not
    win since she was snubbed just last year, but Wever was snubbed the two
    year before that!  And in a straight popularity contest with no tapes,
    Julie Bowen would probably win since she has won twice already.  Or
    Sofia Vergara would win, given that the Screen Actors Guild always
    nominates her.  Or hell, even Jane Lynch would win for being Jane
    Lynch.  In the editors’ chat, they said that Wever is huggable, but is
    Bowen’s tape not about she feels bad and even gets teary because she
    does not want to tell her father a hard truth?  I cannot explain this win at all.

    Ty
    Burrell did not have an Emmy-worthy tape, but no one in his category
    did.  Taking tapes out of the equation, how can you not vote for Phil
    Dunphy?  People are saying that Tony Hale had Arrested Development in his favour, but where then was the win for Jason Bateman or, you know, nominations for Arrested Development?  As Renaton said, “Hale is a bit easier to explain, but I still had him dead last.”

    But
    if Tony Hale was going to win for doing nothing and Julia Louis-Dreyfus
    was going to win for a subpar submission and Anna Chlumsky was going to
    be nominated for doing nothing, how did Veep lose casting to a show that did no casting this year?  It makes no sense!

    The last thing that I had Modern Family winning for was sound mixing, which it of course lost to the same episode that Wever submitted.  So “Teachable Moments” is now a two-time Emmy-winning episode.  Take that, “The Suitcase”!

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    Renaton
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    Gabriel, the Emmy victories usually have some influence of tapes. When they don’t, it’s usually a veteran or someone with a huge ammount of buzz. I love Wever, and I thought there was no way she could have won. Didn’t see it coming at all. In terms of Emmy race? No. It doesn’t make sense. Random, random, random. She had no tape, she had no buzz. Her win is absolutely shocking, and I think Wever herself would agree since her speech lasted nothing but 10 seconds.

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    I guess what happened was that the voters must have been fans of Nurse Jackie and Merritt’s work over the season as a whole, or maybe all 5 seasons, even. Personally, I liked her submission, but I can see why people didn’t think it was as baity as the others.

    I can’t stress enough how devastated I am for Jane Krakowski (seriously, I’m crushed), but at least she lost to someone who’s actually a talented actress. Merritt Wever is a highly skilled performer, who puts a lot of thought and detail into her characterization of Zooey.

    Following that theory we would have an Emmy-winner Jane Krakowski who did a more consistent job in 30 Rock and is the definition of funny. Merritt Weaver deserved an Emmy but not last night and not like this.

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    Lance
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    Hale won because it was a weak category and everyone was pretty mediocre. 

    Weaver got incredibly lucky and benefited from a lazy voting panel that didn’t watch the episodes.  Some judges must have gone into it with major bias against Krakowski and Bowen giving them a lot of last place votes that can quickly kill an overall score.  Weaver probably won on a lot of third place votes and a handfull of Nurse Jackie fans putting her in first.  I bet her total score was very close to the actors in second and third place.

    The biggest surprises for me were Lange and Paulson losing.  I bet they got unlucky and had people on their panel that were turned off by all the blood and guts on “American Horror Story” which was pretty gruesome this year.

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    dude93
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    Gabriel, I really don’t know you can say Merritt’s win was not shocking. It was BEYOND shocking. The oddest choice I’ve come across in years. I’ve seen the show, I just didn’t watch her episode.

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    Riley, I say vote splitting in terms of: Voter X puts Ty Burrell first, Ed O’neill and Jesse Tyler Ferguson more at the bottom, Tony Hale somewhere in the middle; Voter Y puts JTF first, Ed O’neill and Ty more at the bottom, Tony Hale somewhere in the middle. In the end, the three must’ve had too many highs and lows, and the less damaged by the voting was Tony. 

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    I’m pleased with both wins and Wever’s speech is just…lol…I don’t know how I feel about it yet. But whatever lol. I was more saddened by Ed O’Neil losing, as he admitted to wanting to win on the red carpet.

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