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  • RobertoTerra
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    #252773

    No, I won’t talk about those cancelled show that all of a sudden are “miniseries” or those “miniseries” that are on its third season.

    No, I’m here to talk about all of those actors and actresses from SNL competing for Outstanding Supporting/Guest Actor/Actress IN A COMEDY SERIES. And since SNL competes for OutstandingVARIETY SERIES, I think this qualifies as the biggest fraud ever! People involved in a show should compete in the same category as the show itself. It would be like an actress competing for Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series, for a show nominated for Drama Series!

    And don’t get me wrong, I love SNL and its sketches, and the actors involved, especially Bill Hader, Kristin Wiig and Maya Rudolph, when she was a regular member. But c’mon, this is so not right!! 

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    Guest2014
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    #252775

    +100, this.  It is category fraud, and it’s taking away from other legit comedy series supporting actors.  

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    probablyROB
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    #252776

    Modern Family is doing more damage to the categories than SNL is.

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    Hollis Mulwray
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    #252777

    Did anyone from “The Carol Burnett Show” ever get nominated/win in the Comedy categories?
    Or “Laugh-In”…”The Jackie Gleason Show”…Red Skelton, Sid Caesar, Milton Berle?

    Or is SNL the first variety show to have it’s performers nominated/win?

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    BenitoDelicias
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    #252778

    I wasn’t ok with the SNL thing when it came up four or five years ago, but I’m ok with it now. I just don’t care anymore and nobody has made any damage in supporting. The guest actors actually deserve it if you consider the ammount of screentime and performance some nominated people give which is next to nothing.

    Single and Continuing performance in a Variety Series are two categories that need to exist, but whatever.

    I think a bigger category fraud is having people like John Lithgow be a guest on Dexter. And an even worse fraud is having Lily Tomlin be guest while Martin Short is supporting for Damages season 3.

    I know that nowadays this rule would benefit people like Woody Harrelson on Will and Grace, Henry Winkler on Arrested Development and Shelley Morrison on Will & Grace, three Emmys that should’ve happened, but some people like Showtime and Dexter with Lithgow take it to the extreme.

    And of course there’s the ridiculous new miniseries trend with Missing, The River and others. Shows get cancelled because they SUCK! and then they might get rewarded like this. 

    By the way, anybody know why Louis CK’s show is in Special Class but Kathy Griffin is in Variety Special? 

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    #252779

    The Emmys haven’t been consistent with their classifications or the way they structure their categories, but there is precedent for this.

    Eddie Murphy was nominated for “Saturday Night Live” and Andrea Martin for “SCTV Network”. It’s worth noting that the categories were called Outstanding Supporting Actor/Actress in a Comedy, Variety or Music Series. Maybe they should change the name of the categories again.

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    Gabriel
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    #252780

    I think they should just add a new category “Outstanding performance by an Actor/Actress in a Variety Series” and that would easily solve the problem.

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    By the way, anybody know why Louis CK’s show is in Special Class but Kathy Griffin is in Variety Special? 

    Wasn’t it part of his tour? According to the rules:
    “Programs exclusively originated for or derived/adapted from a medium other than television or broadband (e.g. taped concert tour performance, Broadway play, opera, night club act), awards shows and entertainment components of sports programs (e.g. halftime show) no longer have eligibility in the variety specials category. They are eligible in Special Class Programming”.

    The bigger question is why is it eligible at all? When FX issued a press release announcing they would air the special, they mentioned that Louis C.K. had huge success selling it on the internet through his website a few months prior. According to the rules, this would render the program ineligible:
    “Television programs that are offered on home video or for sale on the internet prior to their first television airing or internet posting are not eligible, unless it is within seven (7) days of the program’s original air date.”

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Yeah but aren’t all of these things taped from tours? Or in this case it isn’t because Kathy is never officially “on tour” but just performs regularly and whenever Bravo wants they tape it and show it so it’s a “Variety Special”? I don’t even know if that’s actually the case, it just seems to me like it is.

    But I understand the Louie thing and why it’s in a different category, and the way you put it, yeah, it should be inelegible.

    But whatever, I still feel responsible for taking away Parks & Rec’s nod for Main Title Theme (even though there’s no proof it even started with me or GoldDerby), I don’t want to go there now with Louis C.K too. 

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    GoMe91
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    Pulease. I think the actors on SNL deserve as much recognition as actors on other series. I mean…it’s not like the actors are playing themselves. They’re playing fictional characters just like the other nominees (and what they’re doing is much more challenging). I mean it would be cool if there was a separate category for variety performers…but then it would just be filled with talk show hosts and veteran singers, and the performers on SNL would be mostly ignored like they were before this rule change.

    I actually like it the way it is. The only thing I would change is maybe allowing lead performers in variety shows to compete in lead categories (like Fred Armisen in Portlandia, the 2 guys from Key & Peele, or…even Kristen Wiig from SNL lol)

    I honestly don’t see the travesty in having SNL compete in variety and the performers compete in comedy. It’s the same with children programs. The shows complete in the children program categories, but the actors can compete in the appropriate acting category.  

    And I agree with BD. Besides Wiig and Amy Poehler, it’s not like SNL performers have caused a huge dent in these supporting categories anyway. I suspect your favorite wasn’t nominated so you’re taking it all out on the SNL performers, when Modern Family takes up half the slots every year anyway.  

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    TV12
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    #252784

    ^^^You did what now?

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    BenitoDelicias
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    #252785

    Wait, so variety performers are only allowed to submit in supporting categories? I didn’t know that.

    And how is Portlandia a Variety Series? That’s a regular show or am I missing something? 

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    #252786

    But whatever, I still feel responsible for taking away Parks & Rec’s nod for Main Title Theme (even though there’s no proof it even started with me or GoldDerby), I don’t want to go there now with Louis C.K too. 

    You shouldn’t feel guilty or responsible. Many awards shows nominate ineligible contenders and recant the nominations when they realize their mistake. It’s more likely that people who submitted in the same category contact the awards organization and point out the mistake.

    The Grammys did it with the Miley Cyrus song “The Climb”. Last fall, the International Emmys did it with “Sherlock”. The Emmys did it in 2000 when Henry Winkler was nominated for Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for “Battery Park” and then they realized he wasn’t eligible, so they replaced him with William H. Macy for “Sports Night”.

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    #252787

    Wait, so variety performers are only allowed to submit in supporting categories? I didn’t know that. 

    The rule is that “Series regulars on sketch comedy shows may enter in either Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series or Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series”.

    Who can forget the craziness of Tracey Ullman competing as a supporting actress for “State of the Union” a few years ago? I actually thought she’d get nominated after her SAG nomination and the fact that she stood out on the ballot.

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    Emmyfan
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    #252788

    What about Allison Janney on West Wing when she first moved to Lead Actress in 2002?

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