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  • Teproc
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    This time isusually my favorite in the Emmy season. This is where we get to look at tapes and speculate on how Emmy voters will respond to them.

    This year, however… who knows how many people will watch the tapes ? They wont watch the Series tapes, but that was already the case before… but will we see Guest Categories all go to big names ? Will we see more “sweeps” : let’s say voters really loved Mad Men this year, could we see people like Christina Hendricks and Elisabeth Moss being carried to win despite lackluster tapes (this is just an example, could work with Game of Thrones or House of Cards as well).

    Basically : is it still worth it to even watch the tapes for us ? Won’t it actually distort our perception of the race, which will really be bases around status/momentum/buzz etc. ? 

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    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    It seems like it does in some areas. For example, in Drama Series, the show that has the best tapes usually wins. However, in Comedy Series, it doesn’t for the most part. If it did, then Modern Family wouldn’t be on the precipice of history right now.

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    Halo_Insider
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    I guess we really can’t say until the ceremony. I wonder if people have really been paying much attention to any of the potential guest nominees to the point that they would be able to make a decision without viewing the tapes.

    It seems like it does in some areas. For example, in Drama Series, the show that has the best tapes usually wins. However, in Comedy Series, it doesn’t for the most part. If it did, then Modern Family wouldn’t be on the precipice of history right now.

    I remember being alarmed when Modern Family didn’t even bother selecting “Goodnight, Gracie” for their series submissions in 2013. Didn’t stop them from taking down 30 Rock.

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    DamianWayne
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    Looking back the past 10 years, it’s obvious what the series winners would be without even seeing what they submitted. 30 Rocks’ first win is the only one I can recall where its submissions really did help (maybe 24, too).

    They matter way more for acting. 

    Also pet peeve, but can we stop calling them ‘tapes’? Tapes are extinct and have been for a while now. 

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    I don’t know if Drama Series was necessarily more tape driven.
    Since the voters finally decided it was okay for a cable show to win in 2004, the show that’s gotten the most overall support in noms from casting/directing/writing/editing has won, with the exception of the time that Mad Men would have otherwise broken the Series record in consecutive years, without even getting any acting or directing (or editing) awards which even I admit would have been silly.
    *Oh plus Lost’s 2nd season, but it wasn’t even nominated, so to the runner-up in support went the spoils.

    Wide support leading to wins seems typical. 

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    Teproc
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    I agree the Series awards weren’t tape-driven before anyway, but it certainly was decisive for acting awards in the past… I fear that will not be the case this year.

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    espnfan
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    Teproc, I was thinking the same thing lately.  I see multiple threads here dedicated to tapes/submissions, and I cannot help but consider them a  waste of time and energy.  I agree with the notion that series has not always been determined by tapes, but it certainly has made a difference in the acting categories.  While they do not always get it right, there are certainly instances where you can tell they did watch the tapes and the best nominee won.  As I mentioned in another thread, Margo Martindale and Zejlko Ivanek are prime examples of this. 

    Considering the amount of categories a person may be allowed to vote for, there is no way possible that someone could watch all of the submissions they are voting for.  Now if someone only chooses to vote for one or two categories, they may be able to watch all the selected sumissions.  But if someone is voting for six plus acting categories (not including series nominees) I highly doubt they are going to be able to watch all of the submissions. 

    This does not include the fact voters are now supposed to access the submissions at home online and watch them that way.  There is no telling how many voters (especially older ones) will take the effort to do so.

    Considering voting has now turned into a free for all where anyone can vote for any category any given year, they might as well just get rid of the submissions system.  This new voting system has more of less destroyed the submissions sytem and made it irrelevant. 

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    Denis
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    Teproc, I was thinking the same thing lately.  I see multiple threads here dedicated to tapes/submissions, and I cannot help but consider them a  waste of time and energy.  I agree with the notion that series has not always been determined by tapes, but it certainly has made a difference in the acting categories.  While they do not always get it right, there are certainly instances where you can tell they did watch the tapes and the best nominee won.  As I mentioned in another thread, Margo Martindale and Zejlko Ivanek are prime examples of this. 

    And Bob Cannavale. 

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    Marcus Dixon
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    Also pet peeve, but can we stop calling them ‘tapes’? Tapes are extinct and have been for a while now. 

    You are my new favorite poster.

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    MrSidneyPoitier
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    I was going to start a thread about this, but I figure I might as well ask it here…

    What was the Academy’s official position on “tapes”? Were they just supposed to be a reminder, to help out people in lesser-seen shows like Niecy Nash in “Getting On” this year, or were they supposed to be the defining thing that the voters were voting on?

    For example, this year, Jonathan Banks has a knock-out submission in “Better Call Saul”, but for the entire season over-all, I doubt anyone would argue that he was worthy of beating someone like Ben Mendehlson, who was great for the entire run of the series. Is the Academy saying that the win is for one episode, or that the win is for the whole series?

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    ThiagoGarcia
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    It’s the Emmys. Their purpose is judging submitted episodes. They should focus on the episodes alone.

    Let’s forsee what will happen. There’re gonna be some victories based on buzz and/or beloved/overdue-factors. Then they will realize that the Emmys are awarding the same people SAG and the Globes use to award. And then they will change the rules back, as they should do as soon as possible.

    The fact that the Emmys judge submitted episodes has given us Ozymandias, Q&A, The Suitcase… because come on, we know those wonderful episodes (and some of the other most powerful episodes we’ve seen lately) were written to give performers a chance to shine at the Emmys, and in those cases, we had 6 submissions e 3 wins (Damien Lewis and Jon Hamm should also have won). Why change that? 

    Let the media explode if Will Forte beats Jeffrey Tambor. We, Emmy Watchers, will know they did the right thing. 

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    Riley
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    What was the Academy’s official position on “tapes”? Were they just supposed to be a reminder, to help out people in lesser-seen shows like Niecy Nash in “Getting On” this year, or were they supposed to be the defining thing that the voters were voting on?

    They were supposed to be the defining thing through last year.

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    Justmimusicmon
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    Depends on category.{#emotions_dlg.laugh}

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    WaltEagle
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    In some lists of past nominees it’s called “example episode”, which to me is the best description of how they’re actually handled. You could win based on a season or based on the episode, but it’s supposed to represent their best work.

    Guest categories are a weird example, because they were specifically nominated with their episode choices already known. Episode matters there; it already has despite a dash of Margo Martindale here or there.

    But they still matter in most of the acting categories, I think. I mean, if you don’t know who to vote for or are on the fence, the episodes are right there. I think it’s a little more important in Supporting categories than Lead ones, because people know there’s always a possibility could be something like “Five-O” they haven’t seen showcasing someone who isn’t the face of the show, whereas most people probably feel like they know how much they like Jon Hamm as Don Draper.

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    RJ
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    I think it’s worth pointing out that, for the most part, the typical Emmy voter is not the typical GoldDerby user. So while we all understand the temptation to just vote in every category because you can, most Emmy voters take this more seriously than we give them credit for. Do I think an average voter is really going to watch every single tape? Of course not. That is far too monumental a task. But I think they will do their due diligence and not vote in categories they don’t feel knowledgeable about  (this happens at the Oscars too – believe it or not, many voters skip the technical categories on their ballots). The Guest categories in particular feel likely to inspire tape watching, as the smaller size of the roles suggests lesser familiarity with the performances.

    So, I think a mixture of tape-watching will happen and we’ll still get some surprises, but fewer than would be typical of an Emmy show. Those who benefit the most are those who have multiple costars nominated – there’s a greater chance they will be seen even if their personal submission is not viewed. For example, Kimmy Schmidt has 4 acting nominations – so even if a voter is only watching the Guest tapes, they will still see Burgess and Krakowski in action (Hamm’s submission would have been a perfectly fine Krakowski submission on its own).

    I would advance the theory that it wasn’t the tapes that led to weird Emmy surprises in the past, but rather the fact that a different subset of Emmy voters voted on each category (in the past, if you were an actor you were limited to one category from each genre – e.g. Supporting Actor Drama, Guest Actress Comedy, Lead Actor Mini/Movie). Smaller groups can randomly end up with quirkier combinations of people and results that differ greatly from a wider popular vote. We already know from nominations which programs are ahead – Veep and Transparent and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt in Comedy; Game of Thrones and House of Cards and Mad Men in Drama. These shows will probably eat up most of the acting wins as well, as there isn’t as much potential for a tinier fan base to be overrepresented in a smaller category (a la Merritt Wever’s shocking win 2 years ago — surely that voter group had an overrepresentation of Nurse Jackie fans).

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