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  • Jalal Haddad
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    I was watching the emmy submission for Margulies and Baranski, The Last Call, and I started to think about weird factors in submission tapes. While on paper this is a good tape for Baranski and especially for Margulies but afterwards I felt a little cold. After thinking about it there was nothing that I diskliked about the submission of this episode for either actress but the standout scene from the episode featured neither instead it was between former winner Panjabi and guest star Hunter Parrish.  I guess I am wondering if voters will mark off Margulies in the end if they recognize that the most powerful scene is without her.

    Does anyone recall an episode submission off the top of their head where the standout scene did not feature the actor submitting the tape and if that hurt them in the end or if it didn’t make a difference in the end as long as they had overall good scenes on the tape?

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    TomHardys
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    Ironically Archie Panjabi’s win in 2010 is the first who comes to mind. The episode has good moments for her but she doesn’t have anything that stands out other than a considerably large amount of screentime.

    Bryan Cranston’s 3rd win. He was great but the standout scene was clearly the moment when Jesse shoots Gale.

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    ETPhoneHome
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    Lena Headey for Game of Thrones this year. The episode is obviously all about the climactic scene between Joffrey and Tyrion, when she is mainly in the background. Yes, she comes in at the very end, but it still doesn’t showcase her as much as it does Dinklage. It’s interesting because GOT usually has the exact opposite, with the actors having one impactful scene with not much overall screentime (e.g. Clarke last year or Dinklage Season 1).

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    Slam
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    Immediately I think of Kyle Chandler submitting the series finale of FNL “Always”. Not that it wasn’t a good episode for him…. but he didn’t do a ton, and the episode 1/2 belonged to Connie Britton, and 1/2 tied up several storylines to end the series as a whole. And he STILL beat Jon Hamm’s “The Suitcase” ! 

    Another example that comes to mind is Glenn Close in the pilot of “Damages”. She was probably going to win no matter what she submitted but I remember thinking the most dynamic scenes in the pilot belonged to Rose Byrne.

    This all goes back to the theory that AT TIMES, episode submissions simply do not matter. Predicting those times is the tricky thing. On these forums, we generally assume that the winner will be the slamdunk submission (if there is one), but that’s proven not to matter all the time.
     

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Felicity Huffman is a classic example of this. She was helped by the other submissions as we all know. Pilot, her submission, didn’t belong to her at all.

     

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    GoMe91
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    Well…there were some people (or commenters from other sites) that actually didn’t like the scene Panjabi and Parrish. I think it’s a polarizing scene. I don’t think the general consensus is that that’s the episode’s standout moment…at least not significantly.

    Didn’t Peter Dinklage win an Emmy for an episode where he pretty much disappears half way through? And he’s absent for that big moment in the end?

    I do think we overestimate tapes’ significance. When I make final predictions, it’s like 50% tapes, 50% trends/buzz. Also season-long performance comes into consideration, esp. for shows voters clear watch and enjoy.

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    Riley
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    Peter Dinklage seems like the ultimate example to me—absent from the beginning, absent from the end, absent from the most impactful scene.

    I was not a fan of that Parrish/Panjabi scene.

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    Icky
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    Immediately I think of Kyle Chandler submitting the series finale of FNL “Always”. Not that it wasn’t a good episode for him…. but he didn’t do a ton, and the episode 1/2 belonged to Connie Britton, and 1/2 tied up several storylines to end the series as a whole. And he STILL beat Jon Hamm’s “The Suitcase” ! 
     

    I think you need a refesher. Connie Britton had no where near the amount of screen time Chandler had in the series finale. If half of the episode belonged to her she probably would have won. It was a longer than usual installment that had a lot going on. But Chandler’s character was the lead throughout, and he had a baity scene in all three acts. He also got to show all his character’s different dynamics having to contend with the upcoming state championship, his daughter’s engagement and his wife’s desire to leave town. Also, it’s already been determined that voters just weren’t into “The Suitcase”. 

    50% tape and 50% buzz, name and being on an Emmy favorable show is about the best way to determine winners. However, there are times when none of the tapes are great and no one has that much buzz. That’s when things can get confusing.

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