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  • eastwest
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    #235745

    The new season, or for our friends over the pond “series”, makes it to the US on 1/8 on PBS. Check your local listings.
     

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    eastwest
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    Irishmovielover4ever
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    I’ve already seen the whole season and the christmas special. They deal with alot more relationships this season.

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    Richard LeBeau
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    I just watched the first series on Netflix and it was absolutely amazing.  All of its Emmy wins were richly deserved.

    Any word on how this season will be submitted at the Emmys?  I know there was some outrage about it competing as a miniseries last year when there was a second series planned, but after seeing it, I actually think it is closer in form to a miniseries than drama series.  I am not entirely sure what the difference is between “Prime Suspect” being allowed to submit all seven parts to the miniseries/movie category and “Downton Abbey” doing the same.   

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    sorcery
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    Any word on how this season will be submitted at the Emmys?  I know there was some outrage about it competing as a miniseries last year when there was a second series planned, but after seeing it, I actually think it is closer in form to a miniseries than drama series.  I am not entirely sure what the difference is between “Prime Suspect” being allowed to submit all seven parts to the miniseries/movie category and “Downton Abbey” doing the same.   

    I agree. Horatio Hornblower was also a recurring nominee, though I believe it was more a series of TV movies than a miniseries. And although he failed to receive a nomination the second time around, Kenneth Branagh’s Wallander performance was submitted in the Lead Actor in a Miniseries or Movie category last year.

    I have to admit that part of me is simply worried that if returning shows like Downton Abbey and Sherlock move to the regular series categories, that the miniseries and movie categories would become a wasteland with maligned productions (by most critics and viewers but not the Academy, apparently) like The Kennedys winning even more awards.

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    jacob121
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    I’m sort of torn on the miniseries or drama series debate in relation to
    Downton. By British standards it is most certainly a drama series but
    the line is more muddled when it moves over to the U.S. The debate is
    kind of pointless, though, because Downton will never move over to drama
    series voluntarily as it would lose A LOT of nominations which would be
    a shame as I would love to see it get even more nominations than it has
    in the past. I’ve seen the second season and the Christmas special and,
    as much as I love Elizabeth McGovern’s Cora, I would LOVE LOVE to see
    Michelle Dockery nominated in lead. Mary really is the lead of the show
    in my opinion….

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    espnfan
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    What an interesting conversation.  I too recently caught up on the first season/installment and found it to be highly deserving of all the emmy’s it won.  I have been wondering the same thing myself, whether or not it could compete in the drama series.  Like those above, I am torn about what Downton Abbey could do in series vs. miniseries at the Emmy awards. 

    I agree with sorcery about the dangers of great recurring miniseries competing as regular drama series.  In respects to miniseries, that woud reduce the number of miniseries competing, which is already low to start with.  I think this would also certainly favor made for Television movies the most, which might then gobble up more of the nominations and awards. 

    I have to disagree with jacob121 about losing many nominations if they switch to series.  I see no reason why they would lose out on many nominations as long as the quality was still there.  Downton Abbey was one of the most heralded, criticaly acclaimed, and awarded shows of 2011.  The quality would still be the same whether you called it a drama series or a miniseries.  I believe Downton Abbey has the cache and strength, certainly after their 6 emmy wins last year, to compete as a regualr series.  Yes it would be drastically different than its five other competitiors, but would still be great.  Yes it would lose in regards to epsiode submissions as it has no choices, they would have to submit the entire season.  But the actors would have an advantage as they would have a considerable amount more screentime compared to other nominees.  I also think it would still get nominations in writing, directing, and series. 

    I admit the Academy itself might be hesitant to accept or acknowledge a former miniseries as a regualr series.  At this point honestly I would nominate Downton Abbey over the likes of Dexter and the Good Wife.

    Yes I agree with others above realistically Downton will remain as a miniseries for the coming Emmy Awards.  I personally think it would be intersting to see it compete as a regular drama series, and feel it would fare well.

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    adamunc
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    #235753

    Is this the kind of show where I could probably pick things up quickly enough in Season 2 if I haven’t seen Season 1 yet?

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    eastwest
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    It’s not a complicated narrative so I think one could jump into season 2.

    But if you want to power through the PBS version of the show before Sunday, here’s the links to the episodes
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch/index.html 

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    adamunc
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    ^^Thanks! I may try to at least get through a couple of episodes before Sunday to get some idea.

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    jacob121
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    I have to disagree with jacob121 about losing many nominations if they switch to series.  I see no reason why they would lose out on many nominations as long as the quality was still there.  Downton Abbey was one of the most heralded, criticaly acclaimed, and awarded shows of 2011.  The quality would still be the same whether you called it a drama series or a miniseries.  I believe Downton Abbey has the cache and strength, certainly after their 6 emmy wins last year, to compete as a regualr series.  Yes it would be drastically different than its five other competitiors, but would still be great.  Yes it would lose in regards to epsiode submissions as it has no choices, they would have to submit the entire season.  But the actors would have an advantage as they would have a considerable amount more screentime compared to other nominees.  I also think it would still get nominations in writing, directing, and series. 

    I admit the Academy itself might be hesitant to accept or acknowledge a former miniseries as a regualr series.  At this point honestly I would nominate Downton Abbey over the likes of Dexter and the Good Wife.

    Hmm I guess I was just thinking that the competition in drama series is MUCH more competitive than in mini-series. I think the actors in particular except for Maggie Smith would all lose out on noms. Of course, in my opinion it is currently the #1 or #2 drama series on television right now.

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    Smith probably would have gotten nominated in Supporting Actress had Downton submitted as a drama series, but it would have probably gotten snubbed everywhere else.

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    eastwest
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    A fantastic return! From the great war scenes, MAGGIE SMITH, and the romance of it all (Matt and Mary and Anna and Bates), all great stuff. HArd to stay “spoil free”, but will try to watched by the scheduling, but might be tempted to watched the rest of the series in one sitting.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    I know there was some outrage about it competing as a miniseries last year when there was a second series planned, but after seeing it, I actually think it is closer in form to a miniseries than drama series.  I am not entirely sure what the difference is between “Prime Suspect” being allowed to submit all seven parts to the miniseries/movie category and “Downton Abbey” doing the same.   

    “Prime Suspect” had individual, self-contained cases that were resolved within the piece, as is required by the Emmys’ own rules. “Downton Abbey” told an incomplete story and was always intended to continue in future seasons. “Prime Suspect” was, in essence, a miniseries and its sequels. Each could stand on its own. “Downton Abbey” is a series through and through. If it’s allowed to compete as a miniseries (as well as “Luther” and, next up, “The Hour”), there’s no logical reason “The Walking Dead” and “Men of a Certain Age” shouldn’t have been able to submit their six-episodes seasons as miniseries either. Why not submit “Lone Star” (cancelled after two episodes) as a miniseries? Why have a distinction at all?

    “Wallander” and “Sherlock” got around the problem by submitting one individual episode as a stand-alone movie, but it seems they needn’t have bothered. The Emmys have made so many exceptions to their rule, it’s not even really a rule anymore.

    I think there’s some kind of British accent exemption going on. If it’s a series by any other definition — especially “Luther” and “The Hour,” which unlike “Downton” aired six episodes, enough to qualify for Emmy drama series bids — if they’re British, they seem to get a pass.

    That said, I think “Downton Abbey” is a brilliant drama series, and I loved the season premiere, and they’re going to have a tough time trying to justify a return to the miniseries race for their second season, especially if they air six or more episodes. I’m not sure how PBS is planning to air this season’s episodes.

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    24Emmy
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    #235760

    I’m not sure how PBS is planning to air this season’s episodes.

    January 8 — Episode 1 (120 minutes)
    January 15 — Episode 2 (60 minutes)
    January 22 — Episode 3 (60 minutes)
    January 29 — Episode 4 (60 minutes)
    February 5 — Episode 5 (60 minutes)
    February 12 — Episode 6 (120 minutes)
    February 19 — Episode 7 (120 minutes)

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