September 27, 2011 at 3:59 pm #230222
Please read Daniel/742’s article on the category-placement of “Downton Abbey.” Is anyone as furious about this as I am?
–MorganSeptember 27, 2011 at 4:55 pm #230224
Nope. Considering it was the best of that lineup, it was deserved. Now if any outrage should be directed towards anyone it should be the voting body who made it possible for that and Luther to be included in that category.September 27, 2011 at 6:13 pm #230225
One part of me thinks that the category is outrageous. Downton Abbey (and Luther and Sherlock) are clearly complete series not mini-series. So the placement for these series is category fraud.
The other side of me thinks that this is actually good for the Emmys. Sherlock and Luther (and Wallander in previous years) would not have been able to breakthrough in major categories if they were placed in the Drama Series categories. These shows deserve nominations, so by putting these programs into a weaker category the Emmys end up rewarding deserving programs.September 27, 2011 at 7:08 pm #230226
No way. “Downton Abbey” was one of, if not, the best thing on television last year. So, it winning anything was much deserved. I agree that the category is ludicrous but it did allow for greatness to be rewarded.September 27, 2011 at 10:05 pm #230227
I’m about a quarter of the way through the original [seven] episodes and I’m enjoying it. It’s actually really good. But my saying its win is an outrage is in no way reflective of its quality. My point is that not only is its win an outrage but even being nominated in this category is an outrage.
I mean a lot of great shows went unnoticed. Saying that because it’s good quality doesn’t change the fact it was a series nominated in a miniseries category. I mean “Battlestar Galactica” and “The Wire” were great quality shows but hardly on Emmys radar…So with that logic, should they too have been put in the Telefilm/Miniseries category?
Every single nominee that lost to “Downton Abbey” should feel rightfully cheated. With this trend, off-the-radar series’ producers [like “Battlestar Galactica” and “The Wire”] will start saying, “Well, we have no shot in the Drama or Comedy categories, so lets go to the Miniseries categories and we’ll sweep there.”
–MorganSeptember 27, 2011 at 11:39 pm #230228
People are only fine with DA winning (and its category placement) because Mildred Pierce lost…September 28, 2011 at 9:47 am #230229
@morgan: I went back and read the link in your initial post. Being a huge fan of the “DA” when it aired on “Masterpiece” I think I was a little defensive, so apologies for that. I think you’ll agree after you’ve completed viewing that it was a landmark bit of television this year. So, let’s look at the three things mentioned in the article for category placement: 1. “Created by” vs. “Written by” credit, 2. Episode count and 3. Story resolution.
1. While it does seem like the Academy took a generous approach in regards to the “Created by” rule, it apparently did receive prior approval to compete in the cateogry with a “Created by” credit, (and I agree that this is obviously very subjective on part of the Academy) but they got the approval for it nonetheless, so this criteria is taken care of.
2. Considering it was broadcast in only four installments in the US, therefore making it ineligible for the Drama category, I think the Academy was in a precarious position to begin with, by its own making. Should it just have not been nominated because there wasn’t a correct cateogry in which to place it? Doesn’t make sense to me, but again, that’s the Academy’s fault, not the series’. So I don’t think it should have been penalized here. Again, it looks like the Academy was subjective in its rule, but allowed, nonetheless. Criteria 2, check.
3. This is the kicker for me and why I believe “DA” was correctly placed. (Provided you can go along with the leniency of the Academy on points 1 and 2. But again, you can’t hold that against the series itself.) Before “DA” was a runaway hit, a season 2 was never in the works. “The end” was truly intended to be the end. So, I disagree that it was open-ended. Why should we assume that the lives of these characters ends when the camera closes? At the conclusion of other series we don’t presume this – they seemingly go on (take for example, the finale of “ER” or even a comedy like “Friends”) we just no longer see them. So, barring a massacre of the entire cast, no stories ever end completely.
I also think of it this way. What if “Roots” would have been shown in two, 4-episode installments separated by a year. I would certainly still consider it a miniseries, wouldn’t you? I just think the construct of the typical miniseries has changed perhaps. It is the Academy that hasn’t, apparently.
So, I didn’t mean to write a book, but these are my thoughts.September 28, 2011 at 10:15 am #230230
Actually, if I remember correctly, not only did it not have enough episodes aired to qualify as a drama series, thus placing it correctly in mini-series (mini- small series, lol), but it was not originally slated to have a sequel. I could be wrong on the timing, but news of the sequel came out after the placement of the original. And to get mad when something as great as DA wins just because The Wire never won is kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face. And Brady’s “Roots” example is right on.September 28, 2011 at 10:46 pm #230231
And to get mad when something as great as DA wins just because The Wire never won is kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If that’s what you got out of my post then you missed my point entirely. I think “Downton Abbey” is great and Brady backed up his points well. I was just using an example of a series that never garnered major nomination attention and the first two that came to mind were “Battlestar Galactica” and “The Wire.”
I think we all agree that “Downton Abbey” is great and I’m all for it being honored with accolades. And I say the same thing of “Luther.” Daniel’s article (posted in my first post of this topic) nails everything on the head.
–MorganSeptember 30, 2011 at 3:38 pm #230232
The thing is Downton Abbey is that the second season was announced after the Emmy nominations has already been revealed. It was a sudden decision because oft he very good reception. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Besides, it actually deserved to win the Emmys it got.October 11, 2011 at 10:23 pm #230233
I just finished watching the series and give it a 10/10. The ending sets up nicely for season 2. Six well deserved Emmy awards including Maggie Smith, Julian Fellowes, costumes, and outstanding miniseries.
One minor quibble — why was the only gay character (Thomas) such a complete and utter asshole?
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