July 27, 2012 at 6:56 pm #253335
Okay here we go with the individual threads so we can neatly compile all analysis and discussions.
Place your rankings, analysis, and explanations for the two drama guest acting categories here. Also, don’t forget to include and update them in the Gold Derby predictions center.
Here are the nominees:
BEST DRAMA GUEST ACTOR:
Dylan Baker – The Good Wife (“Marthas and Caitlins”)
Jeremy Davies – Justified (“Coalition”)
Ben Feldman – Mad Men (“Dark Shadows”)
Michael J. Fox – The Good Wife (“Parenting Made Easy”)
Mark Margolis – Breaking Bad (“Face Off”)
Jason Ritter – Parenthood (“Politics”)
BEST DRAMA GUEST ACTRESS:
Joan Cusack – Shameless (“Can I Have a Mother”)
Loretta Devine – Grey’s Anatomy (“If Only You Were Lonely”)
Julia Ormond – Mad Men (“The Phantom”)
Martha Plimpton – The Good Wife (“The Dream Team”)
Jean Smart – Harry’s Law (“The Rematch”)
Uma Thurman – Smash (“Tech”)
Discuss.July 28, 2012 at 3:46 am #253337
I’ll repost here:
I like an emmy voter watched all of the nominees for guest actor in a drama series, i only watched the scenes that the actor appears in as that is what they will be judged on. Here is my ranking.
1. Dylan Baker, The Good Wife (“Marthas and Caitlins”)
2. Michael J. Fox, The Good Wife (“Parenting Made Easy”)
3. Mark Margolis, Breaking Bad (“Face Off”)
4. Jeremy Davies, Justified (“Coalition”)
5. Ben Feldman, Mad Men (“Dark Shadows”)
6. Jason Ritter, Parenthood (“Politics”)
Following in his fathers footsteps Ritter receives his first emmy nomination for in my mind a role that would not usually get nominated for an emmy award. Ritter plays the new boy friend to Graham’s Sara. In this episode he gets to have all his scenes with Graham. The parts of the episode in which Ritter is involved in is when Sara meets his friends and past girlfriend. Ritter does not really get any dramatic work to do and when he gets dramatic work in my mind he is upstaged by Graham that’s why I think Ritter out of every other nominee has no chance of winning
It was a suprise for Feldman to get a mad men guest actor spot, it was a pleasent and thankful suprise for me because Morse does nothing really on the show and always seemed to get nominated. He plays Michael Ginsburg who is the new guy and rival for Don and Peggy. In this episode we see the character getting ahead in his job when Roger asks him to do a job for him, it always helps any actor the act opposite Slattery, also we get to see when Don protrays him that he gets angry only to learn that he is not the boss. Feldman has the mad men curse on him but also he was a nice addition to the cast but there are better men.
Davies recieves his second nomination straight nominations for playing dickie bennett. This year dickie comes back after being in prison and in the episode he inlists Boyd to help him. Davies as dickie is one of the wierdest and funniest things because dickie always has his walk (remeber he is evil being the son of mags). He gets top think he’s on top then to come down to the worst when ralin brings an end to him. Davies is less competitve then he was last because he does not have the material, he could win if they had him in second last year.
Margolis my have been a suprise nomination to some but I’m so triled that after spending three seasons on the show receives a nomination. Margolis may not speak but he shows such intensity in his face and the sound of the bell s how the character speaks, when he is being interviewed by Hank his face if you look closly is probably trying to say the words he spells out. Then *SPOILER ALERT* when he is in his final scene with gus that is when Margolis is best especially when we last see hs face as gus is amout to kill him he then with an evil smile starts to tap his bell which we learn is a bomb which killing him also kills Gus *END OF SPOILER ALERT*. I could see Margolis win if the top two men split being from the same show.
Fox in my mind should have won last year so to try win this time he returns again as Louis Canning. In his episode submission I can say it is better choice then last years. In the episode we learn he has hired Martha (funny thing is she was not hired in the episode the winner in my mind submited), Fox has a more emotional pull this year because this episode has Alicia looking for her daughter at the end. Fox gets to show his best in the court room when he battles againist Margulies. Fox is strong and out of his two nominations I could he see him winning on the drama side more because he is better on the good wife then Curb.
Baker comes back to good wife after taking a season break for his character being in prison. Baker received a nomination for season one work and as usual his performance is not as creepy because we know what he has done. He plays the creepy Colin Sweeney and this episode is I think about him (even though it is named after a less important story line). He does well opposite Margulies and we get to see the character get his freedom when he gets imformation to testify aganist a company he financed before prison. Baker should win because unlike Fox he is a performance you do not know what the character will do next. Baker may split giving margolis the award or the academy’s love for Fox he could win. I think Baker is underrated and if he wins people might see if you need a villian Baker is your man.July 28, 2012 at 3:49 am #253338
I’ll repost here:
And finally the last of my guest acting viewing was the guest actress in a drama series, the funny thing is only one of nominees I would have in my top six but she is not my prediction.
1. Jean Smart, Harry’s Law (“The Rematch”)
2. Loretta Devine, Grey’s Anatomy (“If Only You Were Lonely”)
3. Martha Plimpton, The Good Wife (“The Dream Team”)
4. Joan Cusack, Shameless (“Can I Have a Mother?”)
5. Uma Thurman, Smash (“Thec”)
6. Julia Ormond, Mad Men (“The Phantom”)
Ormond already has her emmy and she gets her second nomination for playing Megan’s french canadian mother, in the episode Ormond gets to speak french and be an unloving mother as well as another sexual partner for Roger Sterling. The acting on mad men is known for being understaded and that’s the style she is using, even though she is worthy of a nomination to other women are doing better work and I cannot see the academy giving her another emmy just 2 years after she won her first.
Uma was wrongfully robbed of a nomination in 2003 for Hysterical Blindness but this year she receives a nomination for playing celebrity Rebecca DuVall. In the episode we that they musical Bombshell is getting everything ready for the previews and Rebecca is worried as everyone involved is. Thurman does do some good work especially with the material she is given only because this show is very badly written. I could see Thurman win only because she is the biggest star of the category.
Cusack comes back with another nomination for Shameless and this year in my mind she has less of a chance of winning compared to her episode last year. She plays the crazy Shelia who in the episode can only get down the stairs because of her diesase. In her episode her best moment is screaming at Frank’s Mother at the party because she hates Nana Gallagher, my main problem is that she is gone for most of the episode and when she is gone the better guest performance by Louise Fletcher who should have been nominated and won steals focus from Cusack.
I was so glad that after three season Plimpton finally got nominated for playing Patti on good wife. This year she may only have one episode but as usual she is the best part of it. This year was special because we got to see team up with fellow nominee Michael J. Fox and as the episode says they are the dream team. She gets some good material and in my opnion should win because she was the only one who was in my top six. She could win if voters want to reward someone who has not won before.
Last year’s suprise winner Devine returns and this year she gets even better material as the character is further along in her alzheimer’s diease now she forgets a lot of things. As Rob Licuria would say she gets to literally throw a plate across the room. She gets the scene that for the character is probably the hardest because all teart eyed she must admit that she has teh diease just after she learns that she has done so much things to her husband she had no idea of her doing them. The thing that could hurt her is her screentime but that didn’t hurt her last year although I do the women I have in first has more screentime and a better performance.
If anybody can beat Smart this year I would be shocked only because she has a few things in her favour. Smart plays a lawyer named Rosanna who this final season of Harry’s Law seemed to be the man rival for Bates’s Harriet. In the episode we see Rosanna come back to go up aganisy Kathy again this time she is representing a case againist last year’s guest actor winner Paul McCrane. Smart does like every David E. Kelly actor get some funny but important dialogue. Even though at times her character can be very unlikeable the thing that makes her more a lock is her final talk with Bates were for the character it is a more emotional side as she gets to talk about peyton that she is doing the right thing by sueing aganist him. Smart could lose but think about it David E. Kelly wins actors emmys and Smart really gives a multy Layered performance you best bet is with her.July 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm #253339
I agree, Smart is going to win this thing. But I think it’s in spite of the material she’s been given. Harry’s Law is a pretty mediocre show and “The Rematch” isn’t really a well-written episode (the storyline with Karen Olivo, Christopher McDonald and the old couple is just plain bad) but Smart is able to make some great moments out of a weirdly-paced episode.
I think Julia Ormond has to be placed in the runner-up position any way you slice it, whether you’re predicting Smart or Devine to win. Her performance is understated just like everything on Mad Men, yes, but she’s made 2 memorable scenes out of a fairly tiny guest appearance this season. One was the Roger blowjob scene and the other is the scene where she tells Megan she’s chasing phantoms, and then calls her a bitch. I can’t watch that scene and feel right about placing her anywhere but second.
Plimpton probably should have been nominated for her appearances on the first and second season, she’s much better in those. In “The Dream Team”, she splits her screen time with Michael J. Fox and I think she’s less impressive (although still hilarious) than when she’s fighting Lockhart Gardner on her own. She deserved nominations for season 1 and 2, but I’m not convinced she deserved one for 3.
The other 3 actresses submitted poorly:
1) Cusack should’ve submitted “Parenthood” where she suffocates Louise Fletcher with a pillow. If you rewatch that scene, Cusack steals the scene from Fletcher and is really funny in it. “Can I Have a Mother” isn’t Cusack’s Emmy-winning episode, it’s Fletcher’s. How was she not nominated at all? Also why isn’t Shameless in the comedy category? I think it would be getting a lot more nominations that way.
2) Devine should’ve submitted “Hope for the Hopeless” where she sings My Funny Valentine with James Pickens Jr. It’s on-par with the moving performance she submitted last year that gave her the win. “If Only You Were Lonely” just doesn’t give her the screen time she needs to take it from Smart, which is a shame because she’d be winning hands down if she submitted another episode.
3) Thurman should’ve submitted “The Movie Star”. Smash became a pretty huge disaster by the time “Tech” aired and Thurman doesn’t really do anything award-worthy in it. Unlike Smart, she isn’t able to act her way out of the bad material in this case.
Smart wins, Ormond is runner-up, Devine is the underdog, Cusack, Plimpton and Thurman have no shot (in that order.)July 29, 2012 at 1:09 pm #253340
I think this is a very tough race between Smart and Devine. About every other day I go to my predictions center and change who will win between the two. Devine proved last year that performance really matters, as she had the least amount of screentime in her category (compared to Stiles and McDonnell, who were shown almost their whole episodes. I think Devine only had two scenes), yet still managed to win. And this year she has more screentime, and her performance is alot better than it was last year (not saying it was bad last year).
However Smart has become an Emmy favorite in the last couple of years. Plus she has more screentime than anyone else in this category. Screentime + She is simply fantastic in this episode, and all of her guest appearances on Harry’s Law.
I think this could be the toughest race to watch at the Emmy’s.July 29, 2012 at 2:01 pm #253341
Ben Feldman went with the wrong episode he would have been better off with “Tea Leaves”.July 29, 2012 at 7:20 pm #253342
Devine proved last year that performance really matters, as she had the least amount of screentime in her category (compared to Stiles and McDonnell, who were shown almost their whole episodes. I think Devine only had two scenes), yet still managed to win. And this year she has more screentime, and her performance is alot better than it was last year (not saying it was bad last year).
I watched a clip from Devine’s winning episode last year where Patrick Dempsey and Ellen Pompeo are telling her that they are unable to use her for their Alzheimer’s trial, and her performance is heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. And Grey’s Anatomy has become so soapy in quality that whenever I watch, I really don’t care for the characters. I cared for Devine in that moment.
When I watched her episode this year, I thought, “Really? This woman actually won last year?” But then I went back and watched the clip stated above and the clip from this season where she sings My Funny Valentine and I was blown away by her performance. She stumbled on her submission this year. “If Only You Were Lonely” is not the Emmy-winning episode choice for her.
Stick with Smart on your predictions, Devine’s not in it this year.July 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm #253343
Outstanding Guest Actress In A Drama Series Analysis
Pretty underwhelming lineup. I was watching Joan Cusack’s episode and was seeing the winner of this category and that person is Louise Fletcher. Her not being in this race makes it lacking. And even w/the epic back and forth between the two, I think Joan being here, even though I love her on the show, is just awful. I can see why Uma Thurman was nominated. A show about show business and an aging actress going in for a juicy part, but there was nothing really there in her episode. Julia Ormond’s Marie Calvet has this refined sexiness that makes her pop in all of her scenes. Martha Plimpton is my personal pick for winner of the category. She was the reason I gave the show another try after not being impressed by the pilot. A comedic performance in a drama category is atypical since it is the other way around, but she nails her quips and steal scenes. I see the race coming down to last year’s winner and a previous winner having material that historically wins Emmys. Loretta Devine’s episode I would rank 5th personally, but I underestimated her last year and she won. It is her final scene that provides good acting, but other than that, yikes! Jean Smart and Kathy Bates going back and forth makes for fun TV. I probably should’ve watched “Harry’s Law” last season b/c the changes between the first season and this one is night and day. Though it looks archaic in this golden age of television we are in, it was pretty good. Smart delivers the David E. Kelley dialogue with a commanding presence that lights up the screen. And since David’s material has a history of getting actors Emmys, I think she is heads and shoulders above the competition.
1. Martha Plimpton – The Good Wife
2. Jean Smart – Harry’s Law
3. Julia Ormond – Mad Men
4. Joan Cusack – Shameless
5. Uma Thurman – Smash
6. Loretta Devine – Grey’s Anatomy
6. CusackJuly 29, 2012 at 9:02 pm #253344
Outstanding Guest Actor In A Drama Series Analysis
Not as sorry as the actress, but I don’t know what to make of it. The bottom tier and upper tier is noticeable. Jason Ritter being the first actor nominated from the ensemble drama “Parenthood” is disappointing. Nothing against him, but I do have to question the nomination. And in his episode it is more of him reacting to things, so there’s that. Ben Feldman’s Michael Ginsberg was a season highlight for me and I am glad that he got in over Robert Morse. If Michael J. Fox was rightfully not awarded last year, I think he is not even in the conversation this time around. It is more of the same. Mark Margolis could get it. There is a level of difficulty he did with that role and I think that will get some notices. I think will come down to Davies and Baker. Davies has this colorful character that is something out of a novel. But Baker’s role is sinister and on a show that seems to have more support. I give the edge to Baker, but I could make a last minute switch to any of my top 3.
1. Dylan Baker – The Good Wife
2. Jeremy Davies – Justified
3. Mark Margolis – Breaking Bad
4. Ben Feldman – Mad Men
5. Jason Ritter – Parenthood
6. Michael J. Fox – The Good Wife
6. RitterJuly 29, 2012 at 10:28 pm #253345
I think it’s fascinating to observe the trend in these categories, especially Guest Actor. The trend seems to be away from big-name celebrity appearances and more towards character actors and recurring players with buzzed-about arcs. Just look at Drama Guest Actor- Micheal J. Fox is the only big name in the field.July 29, 2012 at 10:48 pm #253346
I am hoping that trend will stay. Besides the randomness of Jason Ritter, that category is about right. That is why I went w/my gut and predicted both Ben Feldman and Mark Margolis (if anything will be my “Goldderby legacy” it will those predicts lol) for nominations. Both were on buzz shows w/big roles. If Chris Messina arc came when people were actually watching “Damages”, then his out of nowhere buzz here would’ve made sense.August 11, 2012 at 7:07 pm #253347
Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series:
Law – Jean Smart (Episode “The Rematch”)
Good Wife – Martha Plimpton (Episode “The Dream Team”)
Anatomy – Loretta Devine (Episode “If Only You Were Lonely”)
– Joan Cusack (Episode “Can I Have A Mother”)
– Uma Thurman (Episode “Tech”)
Men – Julia Ormond (Episode “The Phantom”)
category for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series, this year, is a
somewhat weak field, but there are still worthy nominees in here. Julia Ormond,
since her first appearance in Mad Men, started to gain a lot of hype and her
nomination was expected by many people. She only had two episodes to choose
from – The Phantom or At The Codfish Ball – and I think she ended up picking
the wrong one. Still, it doesn’t really matter, since her performance is good
at both of them, but it’s way too subtle. Mad Men’s never won an acting award
as of yet, and I doubt Julia Ormond is going to be the one who’ll finally
change this fact. If she does win, it will be unfair. Not that her performance
is bad, it’s actually a very good one, but there are performances in here that
are more remarkable and that were, probably, more challenging for the actor.
Thurman may not have a very big chance as well. Her performance would do better
if it had been nominated in the Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series
category, since the theatrical-singing performances are usually placed there
and, many times, they win. Here, Thurman doesn’t have a lot of screentime, but,
when she appears, she makes the most of it, but it is, anyway, a somewhat
shallow performance and not completely remarkable. Still, she does have this
memorable scene where she is impersonating Marilyn Monroe and she is the most
well-known actress in here, so these factors could all help her.
year, I remembered that, although I don’t really like Shameless, Joan Cusack
gave a stellar performance in the submitted episode. This year, she’s also
quite good and has one amazing scene, where she is fighting with Frank’s
mother. Her performance is, in a way, hilarious and it is memorable. Still, her
screentime is not really big and this episode is worse for her than last year’s.
It also doesn’t help that Louise Fletcher steals every scene she is in,
including the scene where they fight. I mean, how did Fletcher not get
nominated is beyond me; she is good enough to win. I wouldn’t say Cusack has a
bigger chance than she had last year – in fact, I think it is probably smaller –
but she has a small chance.
Devine was, at least to me, a surprise winner in this category. This year,
although she was the frontrunner to grab the nomination, I don’t suppose she’ll
win again. She had a better season this year than she had last year, but she
didn’t submit very well. Last year, she had a very short amount of screentime,
but she made the most of it with a very dramatic, even somewhat over the top
scene. She had one episode that could lead her to a win (“Hope for the Hopeless”),
that was even better than last year’s. In this episode, though, she only has 3
scenes, and none of them is that outstanding. The last scene is heartbreaking
and subtle, but it’s simply too short. Still, she’s got a lot of hype and she
has the most “dramatic” performance in here, but no one has ever won this award
two consecutive times, and I think she’d have to have submitted a more
impressive episode to be the first person to do so.
Plimpton gives what is easily the most enjoyable performance in here. She’s got
a lot of screentime and she and Michael J. Fox make a great pair. She plays the
kind of bitchy, shrewed character that one can’t help but love and her
performance is very remarkable. The Good Wife is, probably, the most beloved
show when it comes to the Guest categories and Plimpton herself is someone the
academy appears to like, even though they failed to nominate her for Raising
Hope this year. I wouldn’t be surprised, but would be very pleased, if she won.
Harry’s Law Jean Smart is the most likely winner in here. She undeniably gives
the most remarkable performance of the group. Her character has that bitchy
element that Plimpton’s character has, but, as the episode progresses, she also
reveals a deeper side. She also has a lot of speeches during the episode and
probably the greatest amount of screentime between all of the nominees. Jean
Smart is also someone that the Academy really likes – she’s got 3 Emmys
already, but they’re all for comedy series – so voters might be really
satisfied with her performance, which is able to showcase her talent for drama,
even if in a subtler way.August 11, 2012 at 10:13 pm #253348
OK, I have finally finished viewing all these episodes, so here are my thoughts about the winners…
For the ladies, I think it will be Jean Smart winning but am not convinced without question. She has lots of screentime and does so much with her line deliveries, courtroom scenes, and chemistry with/against Kathy Bates. Voters have proven they really like her in the guest races before. It would seem Loretta Devine would still have a lot of support, but I thought this year’s episode gave her much less to do than last time when I was pretty impressed (even though I ranked her in third last time). The person in my second position is Joan Cusack, who I really, really enjoyed, especially when she loses her temper at the party with Louise Fletcher. None of the others did anything memorable enough for an Emmy IMO.
For the men, Michael J. Fox’s episode choices the past two years continue to baffle me. He doesn’t do much at all in this one and comes off as the villain at the end. A Fox win would simply be because voters didn’t watch the submissions. I do think Dylan Baker has a legitimate chance because he does so many great things with his voice, facial expressions, and all of his acting decisions. I wish he had some sort of emotional outburst or something memorable that would stick with the voters. For that reason, my prediction is for Mark Margolis to actually win. When thinking about all these performances a couple of days later, his was the only one that really stayed with me. I think the close-ups on his face were genius choices by the director that will play well with voters.August 12, 2012 at 12:30 am #253349
What do you think about Jeremy Davies?