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  • Marcus Dixon
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    Emmy fans, our Editors decided to do an impromptu slugfest (on Oscars Eve no less!) about all those crazy new rule changes. WTF do these changes mean going forward?

    Watch it here:

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/8644/emmys-rule-changes-orange-is-the-new-black-better-call-saul-entertainment-13579086-story.html

    http://shar.es/1WuYgL

    If those links don’t work, copy and paste this:

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/8644/emmys-rule-changes-orange-is-the-new-black-better-call-saul-entertainment-13579086-story.html

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    Tonbone
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    #342132

    Why they didn’t talk about the variety split more is beyond me?? John Oliver’s show really is neither a talk show or a sketch show where will he have to submit?? 

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    CanadianFan
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    Wow, I disagree with you guys so much!

    – The classification of 30 minute shows as comedies and 60 minute shows as dramas is not ludicrous, Rob, it is great! 95%+ shows submitted follow those guidelines, and they have a board to decide the exceptions. Why is the television academy being criticized because some shows don’t fit into a neat category? That is why they have the board!

    Orange is the New Black and Shameless are dramas. I know it is hard work for Chris, but I agree with Ralph — those shows should be placed in the drama categories in the prediction center. Let’s start the conversation that anything less is fraud.

    – Also, you guys are absolutely crazy to not have Better Call Saul in your predictions. Empire? Really? The show is getting 10+ nominations, and you can quote this post in September.

    – I agree with Daniel’s wait-and-see approach regarding the voting changes. Remember what happened when we opened up the GD film voting? We agreed with the consensus a lot more… 

    Sorry, I guess I’m just a bit riled up because it’s Oscar night.
    Great chat. 

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    24Emmy
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    - Also, you guys are absolutely crazy to not have Better Call Saul in your predictions. Empire? Really? The show is getting 10+ nominations, and you can quote this post in September.

     

    Yeah. Empire is by far the best new series of 2015. Every week you’re so excited to see what happens in the next episode (I know Ralph made this same point in Empire’s thread). The acting is really strong. Can you say there’s a more buzzy performance on TV right now than Taraji P. Henson’s Cookie Lyons? I don’t think it’s possible. The ratings are stellar and rise every freaking week.

     

    I think it would be quite foolish to write Empire off like it has no chance. FOX will likely campaign really hard (especially with the Emmys airing on the network this year).

     

    Drama Series

    Lead Actor

    Lead Actress

    Directing

    Guest Actress

    Casting

    Original Music & Lyrics

    Music Composition

    Costumes

    and then a couple more techs Empire can end up with 10+ nominations

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    Riley
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    The reviews are passable, but this is not a show that will top any critic’s list.  When did a drama last cruise to Emmy glory on ratings alone?

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    Rooney Moore
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    They had to determine to comedy/drama distinction in some way because Shameless and Oitnb both led up to some future possible confusions in the very same year. And 30-minute rule looks silly at first but it’s not distinct as hell and it appears that they have no problem with Transparent(a real drama) dominating the GG, WGA, DGA as competing as a comedy. Otherwise they would have a rule something like that ”All Multi-camera series considered as a Drama. Producers may formally petition a New Academy industry panel to consider their series eligiblity in the alternative category.”

    Since they just permitted Shameless switch to comedy category with its most dramatic season (or maybe they just looked the bigger picture, not the season itself) I can’t see a reason why they would not with its fifth and way more soft season. And then there were Oitnb. Which I think the real reason they set up this rule in the first place. I could be wrong though, maybe they just wanted to take measures in advance

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    mikeboy898
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    Empire will NOT receive 10+ Emmy nominations. That makes me laugh.

    However, I wouldn’t be surprised if it receives a few. Most notably, Lead Actress for Taraji P. Henson. She’s the star/delight of that show.

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    24Emmy
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    Empire will NOT receive 10+ Emmy nominations. That makes me laugh.

    However, I wouldn’t be surprised if it receives a few. Most notably, Lead Actress for Taraji P. Henson. She’s the star/delight of that show.

     

    It can make you laugh and become true at the same time. Which of those nominations that I listed is so unbelievable that it can’t happen?

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    eastwest
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    Sleep on “Empire” if you want, but I think it’s a lock for Taraji and drama series.

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    rstang00
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    Sleep on “Empire” if you want, but I think it’s a lock for Taraji and drama series.

    Damn E/W you think it’s a lock for Drama Series?! I wouldn’t mind you being right since it’s not brutally boring like “Mad Men” and that thing gets in each year, but calling it a “lock” is pretty gutsy. Not gutsy tho is stating Traji P Henson as a lock. That’s just 100% truth speak.

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    geez, Maybe NCIS can get in now, too…

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    [quote=”eastwest”]Sleep on “Empire” if you want, but I think it’s a lock for Taraji and drama series.

    Damn E/W you think it’s a lock for Drama Series?! I wouldn’t mind you being right since it’s not brutally boring like “Mad Men” and that thing gets in each year, but calling it a “lock” is pretty gutsy. Not gutsy tho is stating Traji P Henson as a lock. That’s just 100% truth speak.[/quote]
    I honestly don’t see how it doesn’t make it in and I say this fully aware of how strong (and unfortunately wrong) I was about “The Good Wife” last year. The pedigree and ratings success alone should make it a sure bet. I think a network show will be nominated. “The Good Wife”‘s final episodes will have to be out of this world for me to think it will be a factor. “American Crime” looks excellent and that could be in the conversation. Of the cable/streaming shows being in contention, I only see “The Affair” being in the conversation and that’s based on the Golden Globe win. Those don’t usually translate, so here’s to hoping. I didn’t feel anything for “Bloodline”, but that’s more on Netflix’s crappy promos. It also doesn’t help that there’s already proven contenders with “House of Cards” and OITNB. I also don’t think the unnecessary “Better Call Saul” will be a factor. As for Taraji, under the tape system, I wouldn’t think Taraji had a prayer of winning, but with the new rules brig similar to the Oscars, I think she is now a frontrunner unless Elisabeth Moss or Robin Wright get knock out material.

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    American Crime truly does look like an excellent show – I could see that potentially taking up a Drama spot. But DAMN is this Drama Series race heating up!

    With OITNB now in play with these buzzy new shows (Bloodline, Better Call Saul, The Affair) not to mention the The Leftovers and The Knick that debuted last summer just after the Emmy deadline, I’m really hoping we get some new blood in this category. It’s a perfect storm for some new series to debut at the Emmys this year (with Breaking Bad and True Detective out). I fully believe House of Cards, Mad Men, and Game of Thrones will keep their spots; Downton Abbey – not so sure. So there could, in an ideal world, be 4 spots for new or returning nominees (Homeland or Boardwalk Empire).

    Also, I’m not banking on The Affair being nominated. All you have to do is look at Brooklyn Nine-Nine’s GG win last year and complete snub at the Emmys mere months later as an example that GG success does not equal Emmy success. Plus, won’t be on the air again until next Fall, unless it pulls a ‘Masters of Sex’ and debuts its 2nd season the summer after its first season finale aired in December.

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    CanadianFan
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    I feel like I confused a few people. I don’t think Empire will get 10+ noms. I think Better Call Saul will get 10+ noms.

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    24Emmy
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    I feel like I confused a few people. I don’t think Empire will get 10+ noms. I think Better Call Saul will get 10+ noms.

     

    Huh? Oh. I can see that.

     

    I said Empire can get 10+ noms. I’m fine with changing “can” to “will” if you want.

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