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  • Irishmovielover4ever
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    #258531

    The show that changes by having a female Watson (Liu) and of course an ex-drug addict Sherlock (Miller). Cumberbatch does not want to see this show but americans might like it. What did you think?

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    Bill Buchanan
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    I haven’t seen this yet, but I must say how dare American Television adapt a modern masterpiece for american audiences? Sherlock is perfect, and I mean perfect as it stands, as a brittish miniseries. I have half a mind not to watch the pilot at all. And anything short of an A- is a bad episode for an adaptation of Sherlock, which with 6 episodes released, has yet to have a merely “good” episode. Every single one of them is amazing. 

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    TV12
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    People have the right to do this. There should be no limits against it. This series is using its own creative liscense and it is different from the British “mini”series. You are very small-minded.

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    BenitoDelicias
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    A lot of mixed feelings with this.

    I agree that they have “the right” to do it, but I also find it unnecessary because it’s being put in the middle of the brittish mini and the Downey/Law movie. So I’m seeing more of the same, Miller, while good, it’s playing him the exact same way (because that’s how it should be) so it gets boring pretty fast.

    Because of this, maybe the twist of having Watson be a woman and Lucy Liu on top of it might be a very welcome change for this character. Their chemistry was great, Miller was pretty good and I would love to come back for another episode or two to see them both again. That’s pretty much the only selling point the show has becuase at the end of the day, it’s the same one case a week series CBS wants to put us through as much as they can.

    While watching it I was kind of wishing they would stretch each case for two or three weeks, not a season long case, but at least something that keeps the interest up and makes things a bit more challenging and complicated IF the writers are good enough to do so. Being on CBS makes me think they’re not.

    Again, not bad, but I’m not into procedurals even if I am into Miller and Liu and lot.

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    james alexander clim
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    I l9oved Lucy Liu on Southland, so I would definetely give this one a chance

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    ladyhathor
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    I watched the pilot last night.  I, too, am a HUGE fan of the BBC’s “Sherlock”, which I think is close to perfect.  So, I was a little hesitant about “Elementary”.  However, I am also a big fan of Sherlock Holmes in general, and I like Miller and Liu, so i gave it a shot.

    I pretty much agree with BenitoDelicias,  I was a bit conflicted over Miller’s performance.  Because it felt too familiar and therefore a bit boring.  But, on the other hand, he was playing Sherlock the way he is supposed to be played, and he’s good at it.  He brings a lot of intensity to the role, which is perfect.  And I love that they let him perform with his real accent. 

    I wasn’t quite feeling Lucy Liu in this episode.  I didn’t think she brought the same kind of charisma and energy to this role as she did in “Southland”. It didn’t help that the character is drawn as almost low-key, especially as compared to Sherlock.  I didn’t feel a very strong connection between this version of Holmes and Watson.  This was the area in which I saw the biggest gap in quality between this show and “Sherlock”.  I am not sure the episode adequately portrayed Watson’s fascination with Holmes, which should be what prompts Watson to stick around.  But, Liu was so good on “Southland”.  Perhaps as the characters become more familiar with each other I will start to feel that chemistry.

    I don’t have a problem with a case-of-the-week format, since that is the premise of Sherlock Holmes.  I am not sure I really cared about this case, though, which was a bit of a drag.  And this doesn’t even attempt anything close to the visual flair of “Sherlock”, which isn’t surprising. 

    Anyway, it was okay.  My interest in this series will depend on the future development of the Holmes/Watson pairing.  If the show can get that relationship right, then I might stick around.  They have actors who are good enough, so it definitely has potential. I would also hope for some smarter, more compelling cases.

    And finally, on a more trivial note, as a baseball fan, I completely HATED the ending.  It was complete BS and nearly destroyed the credibility of the show and main character. Smart move by the show to have Sherlock admit earlier in the episode that he used Google to figure something out.  What wasn’t smart was the utter BS fantasy that someone could predict an entire inning of baseball with 100% accuracy based solely on stats. Sorry, writers.  Someone could know every single stat there is to know and it would be nearly impossible to 100% correctly predict an entire inning of baseball. Truckloads of baseball fans are stat nerds. If baseball could be predicted by stats then Vegas baseball betting would be run out of business.

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    Great chemistry between Miller and Liu. Their performances were very good. Both convey smart capable people. Watson made no attempt to correct Holmes on using English words for things- like tube instead of subway. There is no attempt to make the character less English which is a good move. Some good twists with the case and look forward to more.   

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    Irishmovielover4ever
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    Here is my updated review of the pilot. Already I can tell that they two might sleep together or Sherlock will go back to Rehab

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    Bill Buchanan
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    Just one thing… how is changing Watson into an asian woman not as much of a destruction of the canon as making vampires shine is in Twilight?

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    uncreativename
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    I was pretty impressed with the pilot. Despite it being heavily procedural the show had a tone to it that was gritty and outside of CBS’ norm. Especially due to the cinematography.

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    Interesting show…I love Miss Lucy…Mr Miller talks to fast, but that is the directors fault…I will continue to watch.

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    My favorite pilot of the year. Never been a Liu fan, but she converted me here, and I can see Miller being an Emmy nominee, a la Simon Baker for the first season of The Mentalist. Nice job of setting up the characters and balancing that with an interesting mystery. They succeeded in that juggling act whereas Vegas failed and felt too busy, though I still have hopes for that show.

    Great addition to CBS’s stable of crime dramas.

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    The staged scene at the hospital probably wasn’t the most clever direction this case could have went, and almost made the ending an eye-rolling moment. But overall I enjoyed this episode just as much as the pilot and I think the two leads do a very good job. I wish Liu had a little more exciting material to work with, but the character obviously does not crank out showy scenes, and she fades a little bit next to Miller.

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    Didn’t know there was a thread for “Elementary.” Here’s my review of the pilot from the New Shows thread:

    ELEMENTARY (“Pilot”): This was a well-executed pilot in the CBS procedure sense. I’m not that tied into the whole Sherlock Holmes franchise to care that yet another adaptation is surfacing, nor am I up in arms that they dared to make Watson a female. I was more nonplussed about seeing another uber-intuitive, mystery-solving whatever headlining a television series. Sherlock Holmes is the grandaddy of this sort of premise, but in this modern-day landscape, he’s no better than Patrick Jane, Dr. House, or Brenda Leigh Johnson. I’m rooting for Jonny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu all the same though. Miller was great in “Eli Stone,” and while I didn’t see his guest arc in “Dexter,” I think I saw one episode of him in Michael C. Hall’s submisison tape, and at least he was memorable there. Lucy Liu did some of the best work of her career on “Southland” (maybe since “Kill Bill, Vol 1″), and she should have been Emmy-nominated in guest actress in a drama series (she had tapes that were better than most of who were nominated). I doubt she’ll get material that strong on this kind of series, but I desperately hope that her role here isn’t a thankless one. This kind of series could last for years, and I don’t want to see Liu’s talents wasted on sidekick/”will they won’t they” nonsense. I think I can buy into the somewhat contrived relationship between Holmes and Watson for now. I’ve never heard of a “sobriety partner” before. Miller was very present and actorly throughout. He could be nominated for this role, and this episode would be his tape. Love that he gets to keep his British accent. That immediately sets him apart from what else is going on with the show itself, which was clever enough with the twists and turns that Holmes had to navigate through to find the wife’s killer, but also had a “been there, done that” element to it too. Dallas Roberts popping up as the husband was nice. Aidan Quinn was just there reciting lines. Glossy and procedural-y for sure, but it’s missing that spark for to be something more. I might tune in for more, but I doubt I’d miss much if I watched episodes sporadically. Maybe they’ll do an overarching “Red John” type storyline at some point later to make things more serialized. I’m sort of curious to know what happened to Holmes in London, and they could have some fun casting Holmes’s rich and powerful father. Miller and Liu are worth some more time seeing regardless.

    Grade for “Pilot”: B

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    #258546

    This isn’t exactly Sherlock but not bad nonetheless.

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