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  • Deniz Sisman
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    Television Academy Chairman and CEO Bruce Rosenblum explains to Deadline;

    ”This overall should be a very interesting 
    Emmy Awards as the final voting represents the end of the blue-ribbon panel system where only a comparatively small number of volunteer voters picked the actual winners. Now because of a rule change approved by the Board of Governors in February every one of the some 18,500 eligible voters who participated in the nominating process can now vote in all those same categories for the winners. And in the Comedy and Drama Series categories you no longer have to sign an affidavit proving you have even seen all the entries; it is on the honor system. Both Academy COO Maury McIntyre and Rosenblum told me this morning that they are thrilled that the number of voters, thanks to the switch to online balloting, has again increased by double digits. And now the participation for the final vote is going to increase to levels never even approached before. This could really shake things up and produce major surprises.

    “That was the intent. Well, actually the intent wasn’t to shake up the Emmys. The intent was to have a more reflective voice of our membership and to make sure as many voices were heard in which program and which individual achievement gets awarded at the Creative Arts and the Primetime show. Blue-ribbon panels were an important step years and years ago but  may have outlived their usefulness, and with technology now we can expand the number of voices who have input into the decision of who walks away with the trophy to a broader base. That’s a good thing. Our Academy thinks that should allow for a diversity of voices and ideally more members participating,”  he said.

    http://deadline.com/2015/07/emmy-nominations-2015-tv-academy-bruce-rosenblum-1201477350/

    Game of Thrones is so winning that Drama series. Nothing stands on its way now! There is not even one branch in the Academy who don’t like the show! It was nominated every category they had been submitted this year, 18 different categories in total. Makeup, Cinematography, Picture Editing, Sound Editinig/Mixing, Special Visual Effects… you name it.

    You can finally put a rest to the topics like ”Homeland could win with its Series tapes.”  or whatever like that.

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    Ryan Showers
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    I think this makes a better case for Mad Men winning than it does for Game of Thrones.

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    Deniz Sisman
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    I think this makes a better case for Mad Men winning than it does for Game of Thrones.

    Are we talking about the same Mad Men, who hasn’t scored a single Directing or Writing Emmy nom. since 2012?(Except for this years double Writing nom.) No SAG, DGA, PGA nom since 2012.

    The only handicap about Game of Thrones is that the show is so complex and the storylines are so distracted it is so hard for random vters to understand the whole story in only 2 episodes. But now, as I’ve said NOT EVEN SINGLE branch in the industry who doesn’t support Game of Thrones. It has scored 24 nominations from 15 different branches this year.

    And if you’re considering Mad Men’s past 4 consecutive win, it would be wise to remember they won all of it with blue ribbon panel, not by general popularity vote. So we don’t even know for sure that it had THAT kinda general industry support in the past, anyways.

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    Yeah this was the news I was talking about in that other thread, I think Mad Men will get affected in the acting categories as a result of this and more popular shows in the series races, Game of Thrones, AHS: Freak Show etc. 

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    Deniz Sisman
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    Exactly.
    I think from now on, it would be much easier to predict  the Emmys especially in the biggest races like Drama/Comedy/Miniseries just like Oscars. The shows with most nominations (in important categories) probably will win it.

    I’m not so sure about AHS, though. It was shut out of most important categories like Writing and Picture Editing while scoring nominations in Makeup/Costumes etc. which Olive probably wouldn’t stand a chance since its a contemporary series. I still think Olive is the frontrunner.

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    ugh why is this site so behind the times in accessibility? does it cost like a dollar to run the system, thus why posts get lost or doubled so often?

    Anyway, funny that someone would gloat that GoT has a better chance to win if people don’t actually need to watch the other shows, implying that those other shows are of higher quality but people can ignore that by blind stan-voting for their fave.

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    Marcus Dixon
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    This is interesting, thanks for posting!

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    Deniz Sisman
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    Thanks, I think it is also interesting to hear that; ”Thanks to the online voting, participation has been increased to double digits this year.”
    I’ve expected to increase a little bit but vouv, double number could have changed so many things.

    Maybe that’s why we finally saw so many new and young faces like Amy Schumer, Finn Wittrock, Gaby Hoffmann, Tatiana Maslany etc. And Maggie Smith, Michelle Dockery, Judith Light and Jane Fonda was left out. More younger voters probably fond of to this system.

    Anyway, funny that someone would gloat that GoT has a better chance to win if people don’t actually need to watch the other shows, implying that those other shows are of higher quality but people can ignore that by blind stan-voting for their fave.

    This comment does not make any sense. As I’ve said it earlier, the quality is not my concern, GoT is probably three more times confusing and complicated for a non-regular watcher than Mad Men. Selecting two episodes from the season and ship them to randomly selected small number of voters and expect them to be objective, wasn’t even bit of a fair. So at the end of the day was the real goal to find the show which is easiest to understand and most effortless to watch or just the opposite?
    If anything, we should be furious to Academy for why they’ve waited this long to switch to this system. 

    I’ve enjoyed Mad Men’s final season more than I enjoyed GoT’s last season but I’m just glad that we have a more fair and just system like Oscars. 

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    Game of Thrones is more confusing because of the bad haphazard writing, but Mad Men is the more complex and brilliant series, yes. 

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    Deniz Sisman
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    The thing is, we don’t/can’t judge art here, and nor does Television Academy.
    As they say in their website ”The Emmy Award is a symbol of peer recognition which is determined by people in the television industry”.
    But how could they recognize the peer recognition while for most of the categories, only %5 of the voters choose the actual winners?

    No. It is what it should have been from the start now and it’s pointless to argue otherwise.

    If majority of the industry is on the same page as you(and me) and thinks Mad Men is the best show on last year it will win its record-breaking 5th Emmy.

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    Bradley Weir
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    I think too many people are expecting a “Game of Thrones” win based on its nomination number. “Mad Men” is one of the greatest TV shows of all time, very few, if any, can match it. No doubt the industry would love to give it a farewell win, because there won’t ever be a show like this again. Oh, and don’t rule out “Downton Abbey”. There’s a reason they get nominated every year – they LOVE it. As superb as “Game of Thrones” is, I still think there’s enough people that aren’t keen on it that it will prevent a series win.

     

    Thanks for posting this, this seems like how it should have been all along!

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    Thanks, I think it is also interesting to hear that; ”Thanks to the online voting, participation has been increased to double digits this year.”
    I’ve expected to increase a little bit but vouv, double number could have changed so many things.

    Maybe that’s why we finally saw so many new and young faces like Amy Schumer, Finn Wittrock, Gaby Hoffmann, Tatiana Maslany etc. And Maggie Smith, Michelle Dockery, Judith Light and Jane Fonda was left out. More younger voters probably fond of to this system.

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    Anyway, funny that someone would gloat that GoT has a better chance to win if people don’t actually need to watch the other shows, implying that those other shows are of higher quality but people can ignore that by blind stan-voting for their fave.

    This comment does not make any sense. As I’ve said it earlier, the quality is not my concern, GoT is probably three more times confusing and complicated for a non-regular watcher than Mad Men. Selecting two episodes from the season and ship them to randomly selected small number of voters and expect them to be objective, wasn’t even bit of a fair. So at the end of the day was the real goal to find the show which is easiest to understand and most effortless to watch or just the opposite?
    If anything, we should be furious to Academy for why they’ve waited this long to switch to this system. 

    I’ve enjoyed Mad Men’s final season more than I enjoyed GoT’s last season but I’m just glad that we have a more fair and just system like Oscars
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    Your above comments really make no sense.  The change in final round voting really has nothing to do with who was and who was not nominated this past week.  For the most part, the initial nominating voting has always been a straight up popularity contest/vote, so nothing changed about that this year.  Whatever changes they made this past year to the winners round of voting really has no impact on the nominations voting.  And this year was no different than other years, with a mix of new faces, returning faces, shocking nominees, and surprising snubs.  So nothing has changed there. 

    And if anything, this is not a more fair and just system like the Oscars.  Turning this into a glorified popularity contest where anyone can vote without having watched or seen what they are voting for is actually the opposite of just and fair.  If anything, that actually hurts many of the nominees as long as they keep this system.  At least with the blue ribbon panels, you had a better chance and ability to control whether or not the tapes were being viewed.  I do not know what is more fair and just than people actually voting for the tapes/work submitted.  And in many years, it appears the voters actually did watch the tapes and award the most deserving winner. 

    I fear the days of winners like Margo Martindale and Zejlko Ivanek may be over and done with.  Or someone like a Kyra Sedgwick or Kyle Chandler winning may be gone.  Instead of actually watching the submissions and voting for who they truly thought was the best, they may just pick the biggest name or the person they are friends with.  Or this is going to turn into the Grammy’s where you literally have people voting who have no idea what they are voting for.  I worry that members will now vote just because they can without any knowledge or clue of what they are voting for.  I think that is a horrible thing.  I do not know why anyone thinks it takes 18,000 plus people to determine who deserves to win.  Limited panels were fine and often did a good enough job of picking decent winners. 

    The blue ribbon panels are what seperated the Emmys from the others awards show and made them special.  Now the Emmy’s have possibly (and most likely) turned into a glorified popularity contest where anyone can vote without actually having watched or seen the material in the least bit.  I really do fear that we will have members voting who have no idea what they are voting for and are just voting for the hell of it.  I do not see how that is fair or just in any manner. 

    Not to mention I do not know how the Oscars can be considered fair, when they have such an unbelievable bias against comedies it’s beyond ridiculous.  Not to mention winning an Oscar really has little to do anymore with the performance and more to do with politics,  how much you campaign, and kiss ass.  There is really little fair or just about that either. 

    I think expanding the voting is a terrible idea and I wonder if it may permanently change the Emmy’s for the worse.  I would hate to see the Emmy’s turn into a slightly upscale version of the People’s Choice Awards.

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    Give mad men a John Hamm win and a writing win but it has 4 series wins.. I don’t think it deserves another. It’s just time to reward one of he biggest shows critically and culturally in years.

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    Does anyone know exactly how big the TV Academy’s acting branch is? If it’s only around 2,500 or so then it’s still a much more exclusive group voting for the acting categories than SAG, where tons of nobodies and extras vote.  

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    Hmm, GD says there are 16k academy members altogether.
     
    19% of Oscar voters are actors, so if there’s a similar proportion here maybe about 3k?

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