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    blah blah blah lots of anger over Emmys
    blah blah blah category fraud

    What can actually be done? Adding an entire Dramedy category with acting performances is not going to happen. It would add way too many categories to the ceremony.

    Solution:

    Add Outstanding Dramedy Series

    Change the acting categories to the following:
    Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series  to Outstanding Lead Comedic Performance by an Actress in a Series
    Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series  to Outstanding Supporting  Dramatic Performance by an Actor in a Series
    Outstanding Writing in a Drama Series
    to Outstanding Dramatic Script for a Series

    you get the point.

    • William H. Macy can compete in Dramatic Peformance and Joan Cusack can compete in Comedy
    • Louis CK can submit a funny Louie episode in Comedy writing and possibly more Dramatic fare in Drama

    Any other splits you can think of?

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    Tom_Scavo
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    #330203

    Uzo Aduba to submit in Comedy, Taylor Schilling in Drama etc.

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    IEnjoyTV
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    Zosia Mamet in Comedy Performance, Adam Driver in Dramatic

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    TomHardys
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    Danielle Brooks in Comedy, Lorraine Toussaint in Drama. Do not agree with the Dramedy category though. You don’t have enough dramadies on television. It’s too soon.

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    IEnjoyTV
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    I think there are enough worthy Dramedies out there to fill 5-6 slots:

    • Orange is the New Black
    • Louie
    • Girls
    • Shameless
    • Nurse Jackie
    • Derek
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    Zayner
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    #330207

    Have a win limit.

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    TomHardys
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    Isn’t Derek over though? It’s not a wise choice because you would have the same winners over and over again if new dramadies dont come up in the newr future. And the win limit idea is even more terrible.

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    SaraR
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    #330209

    The last thing the Emmys need is MORE categories.

    Here’s what I think needs to happen:

    1. Increase the size of panels. Or have two separate panels vote for the same category.
    2. Establish firm rules about what is a comedy, what is a drama, and what is a series/miniseries. Don’t allow the networks to submit wherever they choose for strategic reasons. This really should not be an issue for series/miniseries, but the line does get murkier for comedy vs. drama. Honestly shows like OITNB and Shameless could go either way, but once you start in one category, you can’t switch.
    3. Have nominees submit two tapes. This de-emphasizes the importance of one single tape and the winners I think would probably reflect who had better overall seasons. Most actors have 1 standout tape a season. Not many have two.
    4. Diversify membership.

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    IEnjoyTV
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    #330210

    This would add ONE category and we can easily send Reality Competion to the Creative Arts.

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    SaraR
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    Oh, I misunderstood your dramedy proposition. I thought it would lead to dramedy acting, writing, and directing categories.

    Anyway, I still think that the Emmys have too many categories and too many nominees. I agree that there might not be enough dramedies to fill the slot each year. Even this year splitting miniseries and movie categories it seemed like the nominees were really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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    If your show’s continuing series but is only three or four episodes per season you have to put it in either drama or comedy category. That way shows like “The Big C”, “Treme”, “Sherlock” or “Luther” would end up in a proper category.

    If your show’s continuing series but gets canceled you still have to put it in either drama or comedy category.

    Academy is the one deciding whether your show’s either drama or comedy and once it decides you have to stick to that category till your show ends.

    Academy is the one deciding about leading or supporting placement. Have the panel who decides about that.

    If you starred in more than half of the season, you cannot submit in guest category. Example: show has 12 episodes. You star in less than six you’re guest. You star in six, you can submit as either guest or supporting; you star in seven or more you’re supporting, no choice whatsoever.

    Oh, and go back to having five nominees per acting category. That way it’s more prestigious. 

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    We do need a dramady category I am so tired of hearing people wine about how Orange isn’t a comedy. You also have shows like Glee, Parenthood, Looking that are dramadies and there are a lot of dramadies on there was including Red Band Society. Even a genre category that rewards action, sci fi, and horror tv shows would be nice 

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    GraemeONeil
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    Yeah I hate the idea of “Dramaedy” categories. It would make things even more muddled. I think the bigger thing is that the panel has to decide where a series go, not the network.  That would sort out this miniseries/drama series mess right now.

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    That Don Guy
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    What can actually be done? Adding an entire Dramedy category with acting performances is not going to happen. It would add way too many categories to the ceremony.

    Solution:

    Add Outstanding Dramedy Series

    Change the acting categories to the following:
    Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series  to Outstanding Lead Comedic Performance by an Actress in a Series
    Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series  to Outstanding Supporting  Dramatic Performance by an Actor in a Series
    Outstanding Writing in a Drama Series
    to Outstanding Dramatic Script for a Series

    you get the point.

    In my opinion, this would make category fraud worse – especially when you have any number of actors in comedy series entering both “comedic” and “dramatic” (as in “very special episode”) performances for the same series.  Also, if the Academy doesn’t care what the difference is between “comedy” and “drama,” what makes you think it will care what the difference between comedy, drama, and dramedy is?

    If you want to solve category fraud, there are two ways to do it.
    One – get rid of all distinctions between comedies and dramas.  Have Outstanding Series, Outstanding Lead Actor in a Series, Outstanding Writing for a Series, and so on.  You might want to lump miniseries into this “group” while you’re at it.  Note that his has been tried in the past (sort of – a few Emmys had, e.g., “Actor of the Year” in addition to the separate comedy, drama, and miniseries/movie winners), and pretty much went over like a lead balloon.
    Two (and the way I would do it) – have an Academy panel screen all entries for proper category entry, including determining what is a “leading” role and what is a “supporting” one.  (Here’s an idea: if an ensemble wants to enter in the same category, then everybody must enters as a lead.)

    Here’s one:
    An actor is not eligible for ‘guest’ status if the actor appears and/or is credited in 25% or more of the show’s episodes in a season.  Going by a strict reading of the rules, Jonathan Harris would have been considered a “guest” for every season of Lost in Space (and, had it been live action, Marcia Wallace for The Simpsons.)

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    KyleBailey
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    I think someone from the Academy needs to put their foot down. They need to have the power to really lock down on who should be where. Rename the Miniseries category to Minisereis/Anthology Series, put it to a vote on what as an Academy thinks is a comedy or a drama, and how many episodes and screentime deems someone lead vs supporting. 

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