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  • Nomada
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    #324549

    Or are
    there other more important factors…? Like
    actor’s popularity & critical acclaim, the whole work in the season…

    Have been
    searching older post with that information and I cannot find anything. I would
    love to hear what other people think.

    I don’t
    know very much about Emmys history and tapes.

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    Tonbone
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    People said that McCarthy won in 2011 because of “Bridesmaids” acclaim but Steve Carell also had a hit movie that summer and it didn’t help him at all so I don’t think so 

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    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    If McConaughey wins next month, it will not be for the submission at all. It will be because he has an Oscar and is the hottest man in the industry right now. 

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    nkb325
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    Honestly the answer is sometimes yes and sometimes no. Last year alone, consensus seems to be that Jeff Daniels and Bobby Canavale won entirely because of their tapes and we should have seen them coming. But then Merrit Wever won with what seems to be considered a fairly weak tape, but she had the most likable character and was on a show they seem to like. Christina Hendricks was widely considered to have the best tape two years ago but she lost to the more respected Maggie Smith. Giancarlo Esposito had tons of buzz going in the same year and so many people thought hed win, but it ended up being Aaron Paul who many believe had the better tape. There honestly seems to be no exact answer, sometimes it’s the deciding factor, sometimes it doesnt mean shit. 

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    nahborghi
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    It depends on the category; who the competition is and who you are. I wish it was only on tape, but c’mon, there are umpredictable choices that can’t be reasonate with “it was the best tape”.

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    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    It depends on the category, on who the competition is and who you are. I wish it was only on tape, but c’mon, there are umpredictable choices that can’t be reasonate with “it was the best tape”.

    I agree. Some people can win with bascially nothing, like Merritt Wever did last year or Maggie Smith the year before that. Sometimes, people can win with the best tape, like Jon Cryer in 2012 or Edie Falco in 2003. 

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    24Emmy
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    [quote=”nahborghi”]It depends on the category, on who the competition is and who you are. I wish it was only on tape, but c’mon, there are umpredictable choices that can’t be reasonate with “it was the best tape”.

    I agree. Some people can win with bascially nothing, like Merritt Wever did last year or Maggie Smith the year before that. Sometimes, people can win with the best tape, like Jon Cryer in 2012 or Edie Falco in 2003. [/quote]

     

    Really? I thought Larry David had the best tape that year.

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    David Buchanan
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    [quote=”msnowden1″][quote=”nahborghi”]It depends on the category, on who the competition is and who you are. I wish it was only on tape, but c’mon, there are umpredictable choices that can’t be reasonate with “it was the best tape”.

    I agree. Some people can win with bascially nothing, like Merritt Wever did last year or Maggie Smith the year before that. Sometimes, people can win with the best tape, like Jon Cryer in 2012 or Edie Falco in 2003. [/quote]

    Really? I thought Larry David had the best tape that year.[/quote]

    It kills me that Larry David didn’t win with “Seinfeld” that year; I thought he submitted perfectly! 

    Formerly known in the forums as PianoMann.

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    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    [quote=”msnowden1″][quote=”nahborghi”]It depends on the category, on who the competition is and who you are. I wish it was only on tape, but c’mon, there are umpredictable choices that can’t be reasonate with “it was the best tape”.

    I agree. Some people can win with bascially nothing, like Merritt Wever did last year or Maggie Smith the year before that. Sometimes, people can win with the best tape, like Jon Cryer in 2012 or Edie Falco in 2003. [/quote]

     

    Really? I thought Larry David had the best tape that year.

    [/quote]Well, his tape was great, but not as broad as Cryer’s performance in “Frodo’s Headshots”, IMO.

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    24Emmy
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    [quote=”24Emmy”]

    [quote=”msnowden1″][quote=”nahborghi”]It depends on the category, on who the competition is and who you are. I wish it was only on tape, but c’mon, there are umpredictable choices that can’t be reasonate with “it was the best tape”.

    I agree. Some people can win with bascially nothing, like Merritt Wever did last year or Maggie Smith the year before that. Sometimes, people can win with the best tape, like Jon Cryer in 2012 or Edie Falco in 2003. [/quote]

    Really? I thought Larry David had the best tape that year.[/quote]


    It kills me that Larry David didn’t win with “Seinfeld” that year; I thought he submitted perfectly! [/quote]

     

    “Seinfeld” was 2010. “Palestinian Chicken” was 2012. Nothing for 2014? Boo. No love for Clear History.

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    Robert Russaw
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    This is a very fair question, and the it makes predicting harder every year, because there are always winners that don’t have the best tapes in the category via the general consensus (Kyle Chandler, Merritt Wever, Maggie Smith,  just to name a few).   It just seems that each year the judging panels seem to vote for what the specific tapes, or for other factors (such as having a hit movie, i.e.).     Recently, we just do not know whose name is going to be called, but there is a strong consensus that voters like trends such as being drunk, characters facing life crises (drug abuse, menopause, etc.), or giving long monologues, for example.  

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    einner
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    Well thats the thing about the Emmys, it’s not the Oscars. Last year no one saw Jeff Daniels coming, but it was his episode where he rants about the downfall of America that got him the Emmy! Or Bobby Cannavale, who saw that? And although movie/mini categories, who saw James Cromwell or Ellen Burstyn?!?!

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    Tony Ruiz
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    Sometimes it’s the episode, and other times it isn’t.  I think it depends on the panel judging that category.  If enough of the voting panel actually watches the episodes, then the episodes matter.  But there will always be a panel where many of the voters go off of other factors.

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    24Emmy
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    Well thats the thing about the Emmys, it’s not the Oscars. Last year no one saw Jeff Daniels coming, but it was his episode where he rants about the downfall of America that got him the Emmy! Or Bobby Cannavale, who saw that? And although movie/mini categories, who saw James Cromwell or Ellen Burstyn?!?!

     

    Wasn’t James Cromwell the favorite? I thought he was at least.

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    Madson Melo
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    Me too.

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